The Biden administration's latest draft proposal outlines 17 different factors that could qualify borrowers for student debt relief due to financial hardship.
Only criteria should be “have you paid back the amount you borrowed plus at most 10% in total interest?” and if you fulfill that criteria, 100% of your student debt should be forgiven.
In cases of financial hardship and/or extensive public service, not even that should be required.
I fucking hate how almost every time Dem leadership does anything good for regular people they means test it to death but when they enrich their already rich owner donors and their corporations there’s hardly any strings attached 🤬
I fucking hate how almost every time Dem leadership does anything good for regular people they means test it to death
This is an insanely ignorant take. Biden already tried to forgive debt more broadly, remember?! It was struck down by a Republican-dominated court. That you would blame Democrats for this…just wow
Using these criteria gives this legal cover. He’s not doing this to prevent people from accessing it, he’s doing this because he’s trying his hardest to get as much student loan forgiveness as possible to stick
Biden already tried to forgive debt more broadly, remember?
Still very little and means tested to be very narrow.
It was struck down by a Republican-dominated court.
And would have been no more and no less struck down by those deeply corrupt judges without the excessive means testing.
That you would blame Democrats for this…just wow
After posting, I thought of editing my comment to reflect that I’m aware that Republicans wouldn’t help regular people at all and never do. I should have done that.
That being said, Republicans being much worse doesn’t excuse Dem leadership not being good enough.
Using these criteria gives this legal cover
Nope. The Republicans will fight it on (lack of) principle using bad faith talking points no matter how overly limited it is for cover.
The secretary of education has the constitutional power to forgive all federal student debt immediately and would if Biden asked him to. Biden knows this and is refusing to make that request.
He’s doing this because he’s trying his hardest to get as much student loan forgiveness as possible to stick
You mean to get as much to stick as possible without upsetting the donors who profit off it.
As mentioned, 100% of all student debt is within the constitutional authority of Secretary Cardona to cancel and he’d have no good reason to refuse Biden’s request to do so.
I’m not a lawyer, but I know enough about the law to know that someone who says something like “100% of all student debt is within the constitutional authority of Secretary Cardona to cancel” knows absolutely nothing about the law or the constitution.
section 432(a) of the Higher Education Act of 1965 authorizes the Secretary of Education to “enforce, pay, compromise, waive, or release any right, title, claim, lien, or demand, however acquired, including any equity or any right of redemption,” as relates to loans issued under the Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) Program; now, the Federal Direct Loan Program.
the Education Department may adjust individual loan values down to zero if the loan is owned by the Education Department (more than 90 percent of student loans are).
What was that about knowing nothing about the law? You’re the ignorant one, and rudely condescending to boot.
I’m not a lawyer, but someone who quotes an article about a single statute and thinks that one single statute is the only relevant law doesn’t understand the law. The constitution is crystal clear on Congress having the sole power to appropriate funding, whereas forgiving hundreds of billions in student debt is a cost that has not been funded by Congress. This is just one issue among many that make this not as simple as you think it is.
I want to be clear I’m in full support of discharging as much student loan debt as possible. I’m also a realist.
Congress having the sole power to appropriate funding
Cancelation of debt owed to the education department isn’t appropriation. As the holder of the loans, the department owns and controls those loans, not Congress.
Forgiving debt is not the same as spending money, especially since the increased economic activity from people not being crushed under a mountain of debt would benefit the economy greatly and thus result in more gain of revenue than the loss of potential revenue.
I want to be clear I’m in full support of discharging as much student loan debt as possible.
Clearly not, since the applicable law permits the cancelation of 90% of all student debt and you’re against doing that.
I’m also a realist an apologist for the unnecessary fecklessness of the Dem leadership
Means testing is a great thing actually. No reason people who can afford life should get benefits. Social security for instance should be means tested too.
The people who don’t need the benefits were already rich enough/from a rich enough family to pay without loans.
Student debt loans are mainly a tax on not being rich enough and even IF a few people who don’t need it as much get it, that’s fine. They’ll still be better able to afford goods and services and as such benefit the economy as a whole.
Add the fact that some people getting benefits while others don’t makes it easier for Republicans to spread their “welfare queen” type bullshit talking points effectively than if nobody feels cheated by being JUST rich enough to not get it.
Only criteria should be “have you paid back the amount you borrowed plus at most 10% in total interest?” and if you fulfill that criteria, 100% of your student debt should be forgiven.
In cases of financial hardship and/or extensive public service, not even that should be required.
I fucking hate how almost every time Dem leadership does anything good for regular people they means test it to death but when they enrich their already rich owner donors and their corporations there’s hardly any strings attached 🤬
This is an insanely ignorant take. Biden already tried to forgive debt more broadly, remember?! It was struck down by a Republican-dominated court. That you would blame Democrats for this…just wow
Using these criteria gives this legal cover. He’s not doing this to prevent people from accessing it, he’s doing this because he’s trying his hardest to get as much student loan forgiveness as possible to stick
It categorically isn’t.
Still very little and means tested to be very narrow.
And would have been no more and no less struck down by those deeply corrupt judges without the excessive means testing.
After posting, I thought of editing my comment to reflect that I’m aware that Republicans wouldn’t help regular people at all and never do. I should have done that.
That being said, Republicans being much worse doesn’t excuse Dem leadership not being good enough.
Nope. The Republicans will fight it on (lack of) principle using bad faith talking points no matter how overly limited it is for cover.
The secretary of education has the constitutional power to forgive all federal student debt immediately and would if Biden asked him to. Biden knows this and is refusing to make that request.
You mean to get as much to stick as possible without upsetting the donors who profit off it.
As mentioned, 100% of all student debt is within the constitutional authority of Secretary Cardona to cancel and he’d have no good reason to refuse Biden’s request to do so.
I’m not a lawyer, but I know enough about the law to know that someone who says something like “100% of all student debt is within the constitutional authority of Secretary Cardona to cancel” knows absolutely nothing about the law or the constitution.
What was that about knowing nothing about the law? You’re the ignorant one, and rudely condescending to boot.
I’m not a lawyer, but someone who quotes an article about a single statute and thinks that one single statute is the only relevant law doesn’t understand the law. The constitution is crystal clear on Congress having the sole power to appropriate funding, whereas forgiving hundreds of billions in student debt is a cost that has not been funded by Congress. This is just one issue among many that make this not as simple as you think it is.
I want to be clear I’m in full support of discharging as much student loan debt as possible. I’m also a realist.
Cancelation of debt owed to the education department isn’t appropriation. As the holder of the loans, the department owns and controls those loans, not Congress.
Forgiving debt is not the same as spending money, especially since the increased economic activity from people not being crushed under a mountain of debt would benefit the economy greatly and thus result in more gain of revenue than the loss of potential revenue.
Clearly not, since the applicable law permits the cancelation of 90% of all student debt and you’re against doing that.
Fixed that for you
Until the Supreme Court says “well that part might be unconstitutional”
Which they’ll say anyway, so there’s literally no reason not to follow the law to help people until that bunch of corrupt judges change it.
Means testing is a great thing actually. No reason people who can afford life should get benefits. Social security for instance should be means tested too.
Means testing costs more to implement than it saves
That is nowhere close to generally true.
The people who don’t need the benefits were already rich enough/from a rich enough family to pay without loans.
Student debt loans are mainly a tax on not being rich enough and even IF a few people who don’t need it as much get it, that’s fine. They’ll still be better able to afford goods and services and as such benefit the economy as a whole.
Add the fact that some people getting benefits while others don’t makes it easier for Republicans to spread their “welfare queen” type bullshit talking points effectively than if nobody feels cheated by being JUST rich enough to not get it.
All citzens equal
All benefits equal