The much studied economic cycle of “so over-so back”

Hunger? Like when no have burger?

Parenti always relevant.

They do it open too lol. Davos is literally for economic coordination.

Porque no los dos

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I don’t think we disagree with each other at all, comrade. I was not suggesting that this is some master stroke by the Illuminati meant to permanently entrench American empires. What I meant to explain is that they know they are crashing the global economy with their tariffs, that their reasons behind the scenes are not the justifications they give to their constituents.

Of course the contradictions of capitalism sew the seeds of their own destruction, this is the natural result of the financial turn of the 80s/90s. This is the logical extension of their playbook since the fall of the USSR: destroy existing economic systems so the financial class can scoop up whatever pieces they can. It is a system that needs crises to sustain itself. Primitive destruction then primitive accumulation.

Will JDPON Don successfully end the American empire with his own cannibalistic ambitions and short sidedness? Will this be the last hoo-rah of finance capitalists to grow their portfolios before they collapse again? Will this straight up cause WW3?

I don’t know. What I was trying to explain was that “Trump is a moron who can’t manage the empire” is not a sufficient explanation of these events. That is liberal great man theory and as Marxists we must look to materialist explanations. Materially, China growing it’s economic base while the US holds on by threads and this is a hail Mary from the financial class using the only tools they know how to use. If it doesn’t work, I won’t be surprised by using a material solution: war.

Unfortunately I think we both are likely correct. However, the right doesn’t realize that punishing the imperial core by taking away their cheap treats could backfire in a huge way. If the treats flow, USians will largely remain subservient. If they can’t get hamburder and haircuts then they might actually do something cool.

I mean I can’t call war between two nuclear powers as a bloomer take lol, but I agree that it would take a crisis of that scale for the PRC to deal with its liberal infestation.

Agree completely. Christianity was originally a doomsday cult and the bones are still there. As contradictions sharpen in the material base, why wouldn’t the Superstructure of religion alter to reflect the coming collapse.

More reason to crash it all now while China is still holding.

Yes, my post was already long enough as is but I agree. I think that they are both dumb dumbs AND have a plan that follows logical action. There’s something very Trump about “just fucking blow the whole thing up.” Since material conditions determine history, I have no doubt that a different faction in power would come to your same conclusion about gradually destroying dependent nations.

Doomer time: No they’ll just liberalize the economy further

Copium Addendum:

Could this be the push to make China finally de-dollarize? Maybe. Like I said, the CPC has shown that Chinese stability is their main economic goal which is why they haven’t de-dollarized yet. They can’t make the decision to do full socialism if it means a drop in living quality. If the Trump admin makes that decision for them, proves that the US is an untrustworthy, unstable trade partner then maybe the crisis will be big enough for a real reorganization of the economy towards socialism. And just maybe they can pull more nations of the global south with them.

This is the plan, absolutely. Sure these people also became true believers for their propaganda, but there’s no reason to think elements of the ruling bourgeoisie are ignorant to the effects of what Trump’s doing. They’re crashing the global economy with no survivors and is banking on America being able to whether the blows enough to take bigger bites out of their main economic competitors.

The instances in theory can all interact through each other (federating), but some instances have banned Hexbear from interacting with them (defederating). Recently, Hexbear wasn’t federated with anyone due to technological form, but has since fixed the issue and refederated.

Did you read the part about how they erased billions of debt owed to China?

What do you consider the IMF and World Bank?

You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.

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Because China has invaded over 50 countries since the end of WW2? Or was that another super power…

Yes, when Europe militarizes it’s always been for the benefit of the world. Especially when they’re facing a deep economic crisis.