If you’re a pure vibe coder, this is literally 9/11.

Oh so now talking shit about AI gets the cops’ attention? Don’t you fucking pigs have actual crimes to solve?

This isn’t about this type of moderation, it’s about NSFW censorship from payment processors.

Bro, I am going straight into the deepest depths of hell then because of all the murder against innocent civilians I’ve done in GTA…

Oh well, maybe they shouldn’t have cut into my lane for no reason.

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I think the only way it will collapse is as soon as the revenue reports actually come in and become public the moment those companies go to the stock market.

They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections.

So does every single Western car company, bucko. If you want everything to be fine and dandy you’d have to move past capitalism.

Also, “Western” usually means “country that is part of NATO”.

Try those three videos, for starters. Guy is not an expert, but he’s a car enthusiast who has a lot of connections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivp4O-udEDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jxt75wACo4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6o0uVsJX_o

I’ll refer to you to those three videos by a car enthusiast who’s got a good grip on what entails to buy a car in 2026, even an used one.

No, that has nothing to do with my argument. It has to do with the fact that buying a new car in the US is a complete scam that was only allowed to happen because the western car manufacturers used regulatory capture to make an entire cartel for the market. It’s flooded with 100k light trucks, terrible payment programs, and the entire thing is designed to keep you in massive debt. A 12k dollar Geely EX2 would completely blow up this scam.

Maybe you should look what entails today to get a brand new car in the US, and you’ll learn why everything about the US car market is beyond fucked.

“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”

Try buying a new car right now in the US. You’ll be in a rabbit hole so deep it’ll reach the Earth’s core.

No, I just thought your argument was terrible and extremely defensive of the Western car market cartel, as if anyone needs to defend them. I am aware that Chinese companies are not little angels, but compared to the Western brands that explicitly run a rat race to see who can sell the shittiest car for the highest price, they’re more saintly than Mother Mary.

Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?

Because they’re a cartel. Next question. Brazil had a similar issue with all the big worldwide brands essentially colluding to keep prices high until the Chinese EVs crashed the market and forced them to bring prices down and offer better customer support.

What do you define as “quality” exactly?

Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain. The only issue really is getting the parts, but at least in Brazil, they have plenty of spares they imported directly from the Chinese mainland to help fix those vehicles. And in the event you go to their shop and your car needs a part that isn’t available, they’ll import said part for you and pay all of the fees - you just pay for the part and labor.

You’re not doing yourself any favors defending General “I sell pedestrian-crushing trucks” Motors.

What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it. But since it’s western car companies doing it you don’t have an issue with it.

Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.

Pretty much every Western car company is allowed in China, they just have to obey local laws. I don’t think they ban entire car brands based on political bullshit.

The railroading would be more akin to aggressive marketing and some degree of propaganda, which is extremely common in the United States. Very rarely you’ll get car ads on the US that aren’t some sort of SUV or light truck.

And no, that’s not my claim. It’s more that BYD and Geely have vehicles and features that aren’t made with the sole goal of making the car more expensive. American car companies (and subsidiaries of foreign companies) are extremely predatory, and BYD/Geely try to focus in moving away from that way of treating the customer. And yes, that is a marketing tactic. But if this marketing tactic makes predatory western car companies change their ways, I don’t see a problem with it.

When both of those companies arrived in Brazil, the cars became extremely popular mostly because of them offering (assumingly) non-predatory practices. They’re still large companies, so I don’t inherently trust them in that regard, but it’s competition that is making western car companies shit themselves hard enough to try to ban those vehicles.

American spyware created by the CIA: “Aww, you’re sweet”

Chinese spyware: “HELLO, HUMAN RESOURCES???”

(both are bad. but pretending one is worse than the other is stupid)

No, it’s because they are stagnant, complacent, refuse to sell anything people actually want and instead railroads people into buying 100k dollar trucks they don’t need that do nothing but cause trouble, take space, and kill pedestrians, constantly bribe officials to get competitors neutered or banned, and overall treat their customers like actual dogshit. And I think this goes for any car company that sells in the US, they all know American customers don’t fucking care about being treated like shit so they do the same thing. Brazilian car companies did the same exact thing, and BYD and Geely essentially spooked them into lower prices and trying to be more customer friendly.