It just lacks machines that think. Which we do too, but the things they’re trying to push as thinking are already causing extreme damage to our culture …

… time for the Butlerian Jihad before things get so bad you need an existential war to fix them.

I highlighted the parts you missed. You might want to clean your screen so you can see all the words before responding.

Now compare Lemmy, a phone, or the Internet to “a machine in the likeness of a human mind”.

Dune is full of machines. It just lacks machines that think. Which we do too, but the things they’re trying to push as thinking are already causing extreme damage to our culture, so … time for the Butlerian Jihad before things get so bad you need an existential war to fix them.

This is the danger of a “quick look”. It makes you look ridiculous when you talk about it later.

Have you heard of the Butlerian Jihad?

My vision isn’t quite as extreme.

Quite.

Do you think we should still harvest fields by hands instead of using tractors?

That is absolutely not the issue and you know it. How do I know you know it? Because you’re not a moron, which leaves only “disingenuous”.

Your “harvest field by hands” thing isn’t even remotely close to the issue. AI isn’t a tractor making tilling, seeding, harvesting, etc. etc. etc. easier. AI is stealing, say, the wheat from other people’s farms and putting it into your silo and making bread with it.

Yes. Open source. So you give a few hundred lines of material so that people can steal millions to billions of lines of it.

A perfect exchange that is.

This can best be seen by how labour is treated in the modern “left”.

Labour has been the backbone of leftism before leftism was even a thing. Think about every major revolution that overthrew an authoritarian and brutal government and you’ll find the working class acting as the shock troops and the stalwart base of it (even if the leadership is the educated middle class). Leftist causes have succeeded in the past because the working class literally put their bodies on the line for things.

But now, in this era of the “identity left”, the working class are too flawed to be treated well. They’re treated, indeed, like they’re the disease as the simpering intellectuals (pseudo- or otherwise) of the middle class sit in their comfortable lives and contrive complaint after complaint about every little “micro cause” (I like that term and will be stealing it) that catches their fancy while shunning the only people in history who’ve shown they’re willing to put their bodies into causes.

Surprise! They’ve become ineffectual! And the working class, having been abandoned by the faux-left, and indeed being despised by them, turn to the other side in the (sadly vain) hope that SOMEONE will give a shit about them.

Are you confusing what parties claim with what they actually believe and will actually do?

While correct, Republicans are stupid.

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They vote based on vague vibes instead of anything sensible.

Irrelevant side note: irony is absolutely my favourite thing in life.

A rich leftist …

No such thing.

That third one in particular is why there isn’t, in any practical way, an American “left”.

I’ve been tempted to go there a few times, but then I realized the only question I’d have is “WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH ALL Y’ALL!?” and decided that would be unproductive.

I think people just hate ai.

And yet you don’t take the further step of asking why people “just hate ai”.

Building a project around the mass theft of culture is a problem to me. Hence the downvote.

This right here is most especially tedious to me: all the “politics” discussion really meaning “American political obsessions”. There’s only 350 million or so Americans and yet they act as if their politics are all that matters to the remaining 7.7 billion or so of us.

Worse.

They’re going to have to go to China to get the seals for those.

I mean it took a Chinese maker to get seals for one of the few remaining living people who needs an iron lung: https://www.wired.com/story/iron-lung-maker-community/

Technically speaking you’d have to say they did war crimes by modern standards.

A lot of what you describe wasn’t actually criminal at the time, see. It was called “war”.

Doesn’t make it any less horrific, mind.

So … you’re comfortable with fascists in your bar?

Congrats! You’ve got a fascist bar!

I mean, you do you and all that shit, but you’ll find that over time all you’re going to get is fascists as normal people bail out on you.

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