No, you’re whitewashing Makhno

I have done nothing of the sort.

You are a liar. And now you’re a desperate liar.

I have barely said squat about Makhno - the only thing I’ve done so far is to call out a tankie attempting to smear Makhno and the Makhnovists using easily-debunked thumbsucked tankie propaganda… something you have now attempted to do twice.

or we have the correct version of Makhno

Will you be making it three times, tankie? Bring it on.

Either way, your crusade against Marxists

Tankies are “Marxist” in the same way that Catholics are “Christian” - stop trying to pretend that all Marxists are like you, okay?

Nobody is watching these comments

Slither away any time you feel like it, tankie.

Look at how crazy the internet has made these kids! They now think they should be allowed to have an opinion on something that affects them!

Ban the internet! Burn it all!

Oh. Shoot. Wrong convo.

My bad.

So it’s the latter, eh? You know… considering that you’re making up for your “mistake” by…

What was true is that the Makhnovists did attack the Red Army in manners that gave the Whites increased leverage,

…peddling more tankie thumbsuck propaganda. The war between the Makhnovists and the Bolsheviks was instigated by the Bolsheviks and only the Bolsheviks - the Cheka was already attempting to “liquidate” anarchists on trumped-up charges in 1918 - before any official alliance between Makhno and the Bolsheviks, before Makhno even became a well-known guerrilla leader.

You are free to test your alt-facts against the historical record if you so wish. I’m not going anywhere… that is, until your friends over there in the mod squad decides otherwise.

As for this space being “de-facto Marxist-Leninist,” again, that isn’t true.

What’s the matter? Aren’t you proud of your fellow technocratic “leftists” infiltrating an anarchist space this easily?

To alienate people from your viewpoint?

Alienate who? You?

Don’t make me laugh, tankie.

I can own up to my own mistakes.

To be clear… which “mistake” did you actually own up to?

Attempting to smear an anarchist revolutionary and an anarchist revolutionary movement using thumbsucked tankie propaganda… or merely getting caught attempting to smear an anarchist revolutionary and an anarchist revolutionary movement using thumbsucked tankie propaganda?

There is a difference, you know.

As for this space being “predominantly ML,”

I did not say this space is “predominantly ML” - I said this space is…

a de facto marxist-leninist space.

…which is perfectly true irregardless of the fact that the majority of anarchists who use it still labors under the false impression that it is an anarchist space.

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Sooo… you’re saying you like white supremacism?

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I did not try to pass off anything as an “alliance,”

Do you, once again, need reminding of the very words you typed and entered into this conversation?

and instead inserted the strawman argument about some holy worship of political figures

Yeah… I wonder what could possibly have given anyone that idea, huh?

It’s a complete mystery, I tell you.

as I know this is predominantly an anarchist space.

Oh… well, in that case, I have news that you might enjoy hearing. If you look over there on the sidebar, you might notice that three out of the five mods here are tankies - which makes this a de facto marxist-leninist space. That’s right, tankie… this (supposedly) anarchist space has been successfully hijacked by your ilk. So feel free to agitate for the quasi-religious technocratic cultism you try to pass off as political theory.

Sooooo… I’ll just go ahead and write this…

who are a relic of history at this point

…off as the opportunistic pretensions that it is, shall I? I can hardly criticise Makhno for not appreciating the danger posed by the cynical and self-serving realpolitik of the Bolsheviks when anarchists to this day are still failing to thwart the cynical and self-serving realpolitik of the Bolsheviks’ ideological successors to this very day.

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George Soros.

Then what the fuck did you mean?

Is there any other point to your meandering narrative other than you trying to de-politicise that which is obviously political?

I already showed it

No, you absolutely did not. You tried to pass off some of Petliura’s wranglings with Poland as some kind of “alliance” between Petliura (who wasn’t even a part of the White forces) and Makhno and between Makhno and the Whites in general against the Bolsheviks.

It’s typical tankie thumbsucking and little else.

I did not mean to indicate that there was an actual, codified, formal alliance between Makhno and Wrangel, etc.

No, you tried to indicate that there was some kind of informal co-operation between Makhno and the Whites… and you have thoroughly failed to prove that as well.

My opinion on Makhno is rather negative in general,

There’s no need to tell me that… feeling threatened by any leftist that doesn’t fall on their knees to worship your holy party apparatus and the even holier political elites in control of it is exactly what we expect from you lot.

Just assume we already know, okay?

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For reference we’re not just talking about a singular occurrence

Sooo… you’re saying children perpetrating colonialist slaughter is not a singular occurence?

The Makhnovists joined with white forces

Again… where is your proof, tankie?

like spent time with children?

How many children do you know that that perpetrates colonialist slaughter?

I’ma get that tub of ice cream.

Your attempt to de-politicise this discussion is not working - I wonder why.

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It’s human nature at its core.

Bullcrap. It’s perfectly obvious where right-wing ideology comes from and who it benefits… stop pretending that all justifications are in any way equal and simply “human nature.”