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For fucks sakes BBC that headline is horseshit.
Shame.
B12 is readily available at low cost. My B12 supplements cost me roughly 3 USD per annum. The money saved by a plant-based diet will cover this cost many times over.
This is a solved problem.
Weird. I’ve been vegan for a decade and not dead yet.
I was more actively suicidal when I ate animals than when I stopped
Weird. I’ve been vegan for a decade and not dead yet.
Just you wait! Vegans only have a life span of 82 years on average (depending on your country) your time will come, and when it does, veganism will be to blame!
It feels irresponsible to use that headline and not mention that most vegans don’t go insane. Because some people actually do seem to think compassion diets kill you, despite the obvious empirical evidence to the contrary.
Posh girl kills herself, family and courts read her personal diaries in order to blame veganism.
I’ve seen more compelling writing on the back of a gum wrapper.
Absolutely pathetic, BBC.
Vitamin B12 is found in meat, fish, eggs, dairy products and specially fortified foods, and, according to the NHS, a deficiency can lead to psychological problems.
B12 is supplemented to the animals so in reality these are also fortified foods.
Sad to see this play out again. Lots of people are deficient in B12 and various other essential nutrients. The worst part from my perspective is obviously the loss of life, but the second worst is how easy this is to fix. I am by no means a vegan, I definitely eat my fair share of meat and eggs, but B12 deficiency is easy enough to get, especially if you eat a lot of processed foods or have a mono diet, eating the same thing every day.
For B12 I would recommend nutritional yeast. It gives a cheesy sort of flavour and can be added to foods like beans, refried beans, ragu/bolognaise, various pasta dishes, the list goes on. A fairly small amount packs a lot of B vitamins and you can have quite a bit without any issue. It also keeps very well, just requiring an airtight container and maybe a dessicant packet for longer term storage.
If you take some tapioca starch and add it to water then slowly reduce it you can make a really nice cheese sauce substitute, very similar to Mac and cheese. Nutritional yeast adds the full flavour and colour, making it actually tasty.
Noooch!
Noooch?
Slang for Nutritional Yeast
I suppose that limiting your diet means it now on manual and care has to be taken to ensure that it is adequate.
Is “delusional” some dumb new way of saying “delulu” or somn?
A vegan diet is a bit unnatural. And thus requires attention and education in nutrition and gut microbes and such.
You can get pretty sick if you aren’t doing it right.
A lot of people wanting to jump into vegan and even vegetarian don’t take the time to learn that there are some foods you absolutely need in order to counter the loss from animal products.
Also I’ve had friends get sick as vegans from issues with gut microbes imbalance and it was fixed by dairy (yogurt). So they just went vegetarian and bought dairy from more ethical sources.
Has someone posted this to /c/vegancirclejerk@lemmy.vg yet?
I have never met a healthy vegan…and i live on the west coast and have met lots of vegans.
I have met lots and lots of meat-eaters who are unhealthy.
In my experience, the ones who tell you unprompted that they’re vegan are usually relatively new to the diet and are more likely to be treating it as a short term fad diet than the more dedicated ethical vegans.
I’ve known people 10+ years vegan and they’re super healthy and active. So its really just that the fortifications in the US food system are targeted at non-vegans so you need to be more intentional about your diet as a vegan in the US.
Anecdotal, no evidence. Did you get their health screenings? Did you have a baseline to compare it against?
Or are you just typing letters on an online forum?
I think you are.
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Occasionally they would come in the restaurant I worked at looking all pale and ordering a bowl of leaves. No honey-mustard salad dressing for them :(.
Killed herself is a little different from “died”.
But what they are burying here is B-12 deficiency is not limited to vegans. Anyone can have it.
“Gray said Owen “reported to her family that she had bought an organic B12 supplement from Canada” and would take a daily dosage of 1mg.”
Yeah, not enough. My doc has me taking 2,500mcg or 2.5mg.
Yeah I’m a vegan and obviously it’s a significant problem for us, but plenty of people with a normal but shitty diet are also deficient. This isn’t unique to us.
2500 ugr (micrograms)
μg
Right. My bad.
My keyboard doesn’t have the mu sign.
2500000ng
Seems excessive for daily usage, you’re off a few orders of magnitude.
Not if you’re deficient. 😉
B12 is difficult to absorb, especially in supplements. That’s why we take what seems like massive amounts. What is not absorbed is flushed naturally and healthily by the body.
It’s water-soluble so that’s OK even so. Low risk of OD unless you really go hog-wild.
Any sudden change in diet can have this effect, I think schools do pretty bad job of teaching kids about actual health.
Anyway if you go vegan eat marmite.
Georgina Owen had developed a vitamin B12 deficiency due to the diet she began in 2016
I wouldn’t call 10 years sudden.
She died 2019 so 3 years. Still, not sudden.
Wow 3 years to be so seriously affected by B12 deficiency!? That was quick?
I don’t think that’s normal. B12 is essential, but I would have thought the detrimental effects would take longer to reach that level.If you don’t get any intake of B12, it takes a few years. But there are symptoms before going insane… You need to be completely deaf to your body’s screaming signs to actually die from it.
The death was suicide. So not directly from B12 deficiency, but from mental illness most likely caused by B12 deficiency.
Yes, I meant to die from it directly or indirectly. It’s not sudden insanity, the symptoms get gradually worse over time, just like most deficiency.
Fun fact: Vegemite was sent to Australian POWs in Japanese camps to combat B vitamin deficiencies. The guards dismissed it as shoe polish.
Also, either can be used in small quantities to make gravies taste better. Makes mushroom gravy taste extra umami.
Instructions unclear, I made gravy with shoe polish.
Vegemite has a high level of glutamates, which are the source of the umami flavor. And it doesn’t often trigger the kind of reactions that some people have to MSG, which the purified form of one particular glutamate.
Which shoe polish goes good with American biscuits and gravy?
First five words of that last sentence are totally unnecessary
How many jars should I eat per day?
42
The answer to everything, at least everything was part of the question.
is this the same lady who stopped taking her B supplement?
What does Marmite taste like?
Its taste is very similar to homeless ass.
Salty yeast like Vegemite. Add some butter and it’s all delicious!
Source: I’m American and never had marmite. I stand by what I said about vegemite.
Vegans + Butter? 🤔
There are vegan butter alternatives…
