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Do you know what Dessalines is really passionate about?
Defending despots and authoritarianism.
Do you know what Dessalines doesn’t appear to give a rat’s ass about?
Promoting Marxism.
There should be a fuckton of awakening and uniting of the workers of the world, but instead, a fuckton of energy is spent on ensuring that Stalin is seen as a really neat guy, and that opposing Putin’s antics makes you a racist.
I really don’t understand these types. Had an encounter recently on Facebook where a self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist, instead of debating the economic form of communism, which was the topic, decided to try and convince me that 1, the USSR wasn’t authoritarian 2, the Warsaw Pact countries “weren’t part of the USSR” (never mind that they were all under direct control of Moscow) 3, the Hungarian revolution of 1956 was a “fascist counter revolution” and that they all supported fascism…
like, what’s even your point? all you do is defend an already proven terminal, authoritarian, imperialist dictatorship, purporting that it’s socialist/communist even today… why?
It mostly comes from US bad, therefore everybody fighting the US has to be good. The other part is that especially in the US the conservatives called everything left of the socialism. When a policy you want like public health care is socialist and the USSR was socialist, then logically they are the good guys. The USSR also ran a good bit of propaganda to pretend they are a worker paradise.
In developing countries you used to have another actually more reasonable approach to it. The USSR succeeded in actually competing with the West for a long time, broke the social order of the Russian Empire and managed to industrialize and even go to space. This was something a lot of Western colonies and countries in similar situations wanted to emulate. So they copied it. This is why countries like Vietnam are in many cases pretty nationalist besides officially being Communists.
The .ml Ukraine group is mostly negative headlines about Ukraine and mostly debunked claims of nazis in the Ukrainian forces and anti-Ukraine hoaxes staged by Russian sources
You can not debunk swastika, symbolism and pre ai quotes. You’re just as ignorant as the .ml guys
“Nazis in the Ukrainian forces” can be used in two ways. The issue is that neither is really good-faith at this point in time.
In the first sense, that there are literally some Nazis in Ukraine’s armed forces, is true in every military force in Europe, and a frightening amount outside of Europe. It has the same energy as “Sweden has corruption too!” when discussing corruption in Russia - it conflates, intentionally or, rarely, unintentionally, the existence of the problem with its severity. Bringing it up, thus, is generally not much more than providing a smokescreen for the second sense.
In the second sense, that there is an exceptional Nazi problem in Ukraine’s armed forces, is not a serious position. That could have been argued to be true, back in 2015, when privately-funded paramilitaries only loosely-affiliated with the government had nearly no oversight and a small amount of political influence in addition - but the rapid buildup of the Ukrainian armed forces, previously in a very dire state, in the mid-late 2010s overwhelmingly removed the radicals and integrated units with previous paramilitary associations with the Ukrainian National Guard and its recruitment standards - ie not only no longer selecting for extremist views, but explicitly selecting against extremist views, and with those who do slip through the cracks not being given a choice of what unit they are assigned to.
The most notable unit so accused, the Azov Brigade, had most of its leadership removed all the way back in 2015, when the Ukrainian government took the reigns over from the (Jewish, strangely enough) oligarch funding them. There were accusations into the late 2010s that a far-right culture persisted within the unit, and that may be to some degree true, but the accusations were necessarily always vague and largely dependent on the symbolism of the unit, retained from its paramilitary days. The unit denies that the symbol has neonazi connections, and has crafted a convincing explanation for why it’s something entirely non-far-right, but even assuming that many in the unit legitimately believe that… it would be debatable whether such an anodyne Ukrainian nationalist interpretation of the symbolism was intended from the very founding of the unit. On the other hand, one of the units cofounders was Jewish, so who fucking knows.
Don’t forget that Putin hat links to neonazi Dmitry Utkin.
There are countless links between Russia and neo-Nazism, be it Wagner, Rusich, Rogozin’s past, or how Putin’s government used white power skinheads in the early 2000s to earn political credit by letting them murder and beat up immigrants left and right. And funnily, many of the neo-Nazis in Ukraine, including in Azov, come from that same Russian scene. After they served their purpose, they were to be removed as to not pose a threat by turning into a political force, so many ended up fleeing to Ukraine.
Unlike in Russia, whose neo-Nazis are driven purely by ideology, it’s a mixed bag in Ukraine, as the ideology there is intertwined with opposing an oppressor, be it Russia or the Soviet leadership. It’s all a matter of perspective. A Black Sun tattoo or a patch is barely a threat when that same person is there to save you from shelling, whereas a de facto fascist government without any clear Nazi attributes oppressing its own people and neighbors for decades is a huge problem.
Still not a fan of Banderites though. Even if they are part of those doing the saving, they still follow a hateful nationalist ideology. Once the war is over, Ukraine should focus on denazification of some of it’s forces such as deradicalization programs and stuff. Or do a civic nationalism focus like US once did where it’s like “be kind to your fellow Ukrainian, regardless of race, ethnicity, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion etc.”.
Even if Ukraine gets to force Russia out of its regions and the war is officially over, every country west of Russia understands the ever-looming threat, so I don’t know if Ukraine would want to touch some of its most experienced and battle-ready units. At the same time, joining the EU could also mean stricter enforcement of hate speech laws so that if anybody who decides to take their ideology beyond their personal space and attack others faces judgement. As it’s been said, there’s not much support for the far-right parties among the Ukrainian population, so that part of the ideology is less of a threat.
This, so much.
And for what it’s worth, Americans have Nazis in their military too. Just racist vile fucks. The Marines have Scout Snipers and so many of them got SS tattoos in the exact lightning bolt style of the Schutzstaffel.
But if Canada invaded Minnesota bc of it, the world would rightly lose their shit.
Americans have a Nazi leading their country.
Yeah, that was my point.
We might legitimately welcome the invasion at this point, though
*join
Now you’re just bending reality by claiming that people like Kapustin are not essential in today’s army and overall political landscape of Ukraine.
What I can agree witg, is that the Nazi problem in Ukraine had been being solved from 2015 to 2022. When the invasion started, Nazis became a significant political power.
Surely I am not defending Putin’s regime - if anything, it’s a cleptocracy enabling all sort of destructive ideologies.
Now you’re just bending reality by claiming that people like Kapustin are not essential in today’s army and overall political landscape of Ukraine.
Fucking what.
Kapustin is who you’re citing as ‘essential’ in today’s political and military landscape in Ukraine?
Come the fuck on.
Surely I am not defending Putin’s regime - if anything, it’s a cleptocracy enabling all sort of destructive ideologies.
The issue is that you’re sharing a propaganda canard pushed by Putin’s regime. I believe you when you say you’re anti-Putin - but you’re also unintentionally repeating and reinforcing untrue Vatnik talking points.
You fall for AI slop, deep fakes and shopped photos all the time. Stfu.
You are indoctrinated. You won’t be able to see it, but you are.
Have we truly been graced by the presence of an enlightened centrist, here to save us from ignorance?
“Imperialism is Good, Actually, if it’s from the capitalist oligarchy of Russia!”
That’s what I was finding strange about commies back in Russia post-2014. But of course, Feb 2022 divided us for good
I don’t even remember if I was surprised or not when the tankie bootlickers smoothly transitioned from “Russia isn’t going to invade! CIA propaganda!” to “Russia invading is Good, Actually!”
It seems an eternity ago that that horror was brought in on the Ukrainian people.
Guy is a dishonest dickhead.
Cheezus, man. You went to a in-love-with-war community and posted your opinion that contradicts theirs. What did you expect? Them changing their minds and suddenly agreeing with you and the rest of the sane world?
I just glanced on what is happening in Ukraine community there and it is clear as a day they vilify Ukraine and put ruzzia to a hero status. I’d never share my opinions there if I would be you.
Banned from an ml. And nothing of value was lost.
I’m honestly shocked that I haven’t been yet.
But when that day surely comes, I’m not going to cry about it.
Pfff mods suck at articulating. They really go off vibes
Vibes are in Lemmy’s Code of Conduct as well:
Remarks that moderators find inappropriate, whether listed in the code of conduct or not, are also not allowed.
Cool that they said it is add a sub rule that kids are not required to articulate reason behind the ban, since it goes down like that.
Buuuut I think that code of conduct is instance wide and not service wide
People on reddit stayed for this reason, they know
Gotta get the word out about Piefed o7
