Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342
Dessalines AKA “parentis_shotgun” on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.
Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):
Please join the discussions for Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem:
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
And the discussions for finding/creating alternative communities on other instances:
https://lemmy.world/post/16235541
What is a tankie?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.
Bruh, Lemmy is a federated clone of Reddit. And tankies did not come up with the Fediverse or Reddit. If anything Lemmy is closer to a classic capitalist structure with the communities being owned by the admin (boss). Users have no control of any community no matter how much they contribute. I guess since tankies are state capitalists anyway they feel right at home.
No, Marxists did not create the fediverse, but Marxists did create Lemmy.
Explain how Free and Open Source, federation-based communities are more Capitalist than Marxist. Having managers does not make something Capitalist, lol.
The ability to choose what platform to use seems closer to the principle of voluntary exchange than to authoritatianism.
And Stallman was the person that invented FOSS, and he’s stated over and over he was not following any type of Communist principles. In fact FOSS programmers explicitly retain private property rights of software. It’s how they enforce the share alike clauses. If FOSS was built on some type of Communist principles it wouldn’t allow the bourgeois to build billion dollar enterprises on software they pay the writers nothing for.
Marxists did not create FOSS, but they did create Lemmy.
I will add though that FOSS principles do tend to align more closely with the principles of non-commodification, collaboration, voluntary contribution, community-ownership, and free access to knowledge, which “can be” associated with socialist or Marxist ideals.
Lemmy is not based Communist principles is what I’m arguing please read. It’s not based on Communist principals because Reddit nor FOSS were which is the architecture Lemmy copied.
Lemmy is based on Communist principles, the devs have stated as much. The fact that others use similar underlying principles does not change why Lemmy was developed in the manner it has been.
It does EL-0-L when the managers do not answer to users who create the actual value. And surprise surprise you have widespread complaints about heavy handed censorship on tankie run instances on anything that hurts their feelings.
When the users can create their own instances or even fork the entire project for free, the dynamic is different. Plus, calling discussion “value” is kinda goofy.
Lemmy.world has censorship too, just see return2ozma’s recent ban for criticizing Biden and not posting pro-Biden content as well, literally admitted by the admin in an official post.
This is such a typical liberal answer. The value isn’t just created by the users’ post but by the collective network effect of all the users being in one place. That is not replicated when a new instance is created. Tankies know this which is why they’re acting like old Reddit mods with retaliatory style moderation.
You’re referring to discussion and posting as though it’s a commodity. Please read Marx, lol
I have read Marx, unlike you who’s just learned about Lenin through memes.
The network effect is a commodity. That’s why X and Facebook fight for users and put them in walled gardens.
Their valuations are based engagement. The most powerful and successful capitalist enterprises in history are all social media companies but okay discussion isn’t a commodity. How myopic can you be.
The network effect is not a commodity. Lemmy is not produced for profit, it has no Value. Reread Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 1. It has a Use-Value, but no Exchange-Value and is not produced for profit. Capitalism necessitates profit and an M-C-M’ circuit by which Capitalists accumulate, which is absent from Lemmy entirely.
You’re deeply unserious.
Another pedantic tankie argument. Just because something is not being exchanged doesn’t mean it can’t.
Regardless originally I said the network effect had value, not that it was a commodity. And the VALUE cannot be replicated by building another instance. Therefore the users do not own THE VALUE that they produce.
Personally, I like to think of instances as countries, where federation and defederation is akin to trade policies across the borders, and communities are like regional/state governments.