So Israel break international law and then Starmer asks Iran to just suck it up, saying it will put the ceasefire in jeopardy, ignoring the fact that Israel just assassinated the lead negotiator. What in the bloody fuck?

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    I agree that Starmer should first and foremost condemn Israel and bring them to justice and that should be the initial position.

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      I agree Israel should face international justice, so both you and I, and Starmer, are on the same page, there. If Iran does launch some kind of attack on Israel, I think that will delay any justice, while worsening the situation in Gaza and the Middle East (by which I mean, to be clear, lots of people will die, which is the last thing we want). So to me it seems fair to try and persuade everyone involved to solve this diplomatically, which is what Starmer is asking Iran and Israel to do:

      [Starmer] called on all parties to “de-escalate and avoid further regional confrontation”

      Naturally while speaking to Iran, he’s focusing on Iran’s choices, but it’s consistent with his current position calling on Israel to agree to negotiate a ceasefire and allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

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        3 months ago

        out of interest could you link to a time you’ve called for israel to face international justice outside the context of “iran should also face international justice”?

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          3 months ago

          Can you arbitrarily provide me with evidence of what you think about any given thing with the precise context I think is important? Because, if not, I don’t see why you’d expect this of anyone else.

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            3 months ago

            any given thing

            literally the thing we’re talking about

            the precise context I think is important

            literally any context other than this specific one

             

            if you only ever bring up how israel needs to face international justice in the context of iran facing international justice, it kind of sounds like you don’t really care about israel facing international justice

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              3 months ago

              Do you write down every opinion you have and publish it in case someone asks you to prove that you think it at a later date? That is what you’re asking of me.

              As far as I know, you have the opposite problem. Have you ever demanded international justice for Iran without also demanding it for Israel? Prove it! It’s a ridiculous standard.

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                3 months ago

                my account is 3 days old and your account is over 300 days old

                you’ve been plenty active in feddit.uk over the past few months, which has had plenty of news stories to pick from where it would’ve been a relevant remark, and it’s not like you haven’t spoken about israel during that time, and the harshest thing you’ve had to say about the situation is now, but only in the context of iran also deserving international justice

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                  3 months ago

                  Do you think my Lemmy experience represents the totality of my views? Can you give me a specific number of months on Lemmy I can use before it’s fair for me to judge all of your opinions?

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                    oh we’re playing the “draw the precise, exact line” game, are we?

                    whatever that line is, a year and multiple times talking specifically about israel seems like enough time to get across a sentiment more negative than “i guess israel is kind of bad, but we can’t be too hasty about these things”