Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.
Monomouse
Duodugong
Traye-aye
Quadferret
Pentacoyote
Hexbear
Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we’ve discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well
Octoria are scientifically impossible, the grazing territory requirements alone for a sustainable breeding colony would be immense. Any reports of them in the wild are either misidentified pairs of quadferrets copulating, or hoaxes perpetuating the psuedoscience.
quadferrets copulating
That’s where you’re messing up. Those are pentacoyotes, not quadferrets. The contact side between two polygonimals mating is actually obscured, so the actual number of sides in a copulation configuration is the sum of the sides of all involved polygonimals - 2. Therefore the octorca could not be two mating quadferrets, but could be two pentacoyotes, or a chain of duodugongs.
Wtf are you guys talking about
Polygonal phylogeny
Yes, googling offers nothing, but I’m probably just being goofed on
Try the Polygoogle. The regular non-euclidian google has a history of censorship when it comes to polygonal phylogeny
I didn’t even think to recommend Poogle. Thank you!
Ay man if your client lets you block entire instances maybe consider blocking this one
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Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin…
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I’ve actually yet to see anybody you’d call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.
I think people are thrown off by anti NATO stance. I almost don’t blame people for confusing NATO opposition for Russia support, especially during on ongoing Russian invasion, which does seem to justify NATO’s existence. Nevermind NATO’s history of imperialist action, people are very tied up in the Ukraine war and are unwilling to cede any ground to anything that may appear even a little soft on Russia.
Right, people are treating it as sports where you have to either cheer for one side or the other.
This is really a non-sequitur but I have zero idea how people choose to upvote it downvote anymore. You and I were in agreement and somehow I got upvoted and you got downvoted? I don’t get it
lol, I have a following of a few very angry liberals on here :)
My issue with hexbearians was that in every single thread I saw them in they would do nothing but whatabout regardless of the context. I understand they may have good points about certain things and to their credit some had very well written and informative comments but most of the time they weren’t directly relevant to the topic. It could be a loud minority but it doesn’t change the fact it’s annoying to see huge threads of whatabout arguments all the time by them.
In my view, having consistent moral standards is a prerequisite for having an honest discussion on any topic. If anything, the actual whataboutism is pointing fingers at other countries while refusing to acknowledge what your own country is doing. People should focus on fixing problems at home and holding their own governments accountable first and foremost because that’s where they have most agency.
This is what people who you accuse of whataboutism point out. Focusing on countries you don’t like and talking about how bad they are when your own country does the same things simply serves to deflect attention and to create the impression that your own society is somehow better and more enlightened. This is how the west often justifies the atrocities it commits.
getting called out for your bullshit on any topic pertains to the discussion, we’ve had problems with all crowds.
You know whataboutism isn’t an actual logical fallacy and was originally used in defense of British colonialism “well the IRA also does bad things” right?
To be fair one country was invaded by the other. It is entirely understandable to back the party that was invaded by the other nation especially when that nation has a recent history of imperialism.
Last I checked, what actually happened was that Ukraine was plunged into a civil war after US ran a coup in 2104 that overthrew the democratically elected government.
Russia was invited into the conflict by LPR and DPR which it recognized independence of. This follows the precedent NATO set in Yugoslavia where it recognized breakaway regions and intervened on their behalf.
There was an interesting writeup from someone on hexbear as to why they opposed the war in Ukraine. It was fascinating reading such a nuanced take on the conflict that completely ignored Russia’s imperialistic attitudes that Putin displayed from the moment he took office. It was really interesting reading someone who was really well informed to a point but seemed to not see past that point.
They’ve beefed with a few other instances they tried federating with too such as Lemmy.ee and lemmy.blahaj.zone. Their user base tends to be a bit more abrasive than most Lemmy instances, making federation controversial even among similarly minded instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone
Blahaj zone had a problem with chasers that we did not want in our safespace
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straight people being horny for trans people. I love my allies, but I don’t want them that close.
More accurately cis people being horny for trans people in an objectifying way.
There are unfortunately gay chasers.
This is true too
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
even the anarchists are pro soviet at least lol, I love my comrades
Left-wing social site (might be fedi, never bothered checking) for leftists who are way too edgy for mainstream leftist communities.
Rather than edgy, they are straight up tankies (aka, russia and URSS apologists)
Glory to the Soviet Union
Fuck the soviet union - harder than how the soviet troops fucked both my grandmothers when they “liberated” my birth country, and harder than how the soviet rule fucked the economy afterwards.
are you like, serious
Now you got me interested: how exactly could this be anything but serious?
Im sorry but maybe I just don’t believe you at all
I don’t see what I could do to increase the chances of you believing me - thankfully nothing at all depends on it happening.
Oh wait, for the last one I can actually cite some sources:
They’ll never forgive them for liberating Europe
Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
In what way is sucking the Chinese Governments boot any better than Facism?
Also it’s disingenuous to pretend china isn’t at all fascist.
It’s not. The Chinese government is an abusive autocracy that doesn’t respect the “rights” of its people and answers to nothing and no one other than Xi and profits and power. Those three things are king.
Marxists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. They may have somewhat different end goals, but they’re alike in having zero regard for the democratic will of the people. May every Hexbear troll be accursed.
China is good and fascism is bad hope that clears things up for you
I’ll just leave this here https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/2796891
What is wrong with people
I don’t support messages like that but I’ve seen similar messages from racists and fascists from other instances too, does that mean every instance where a small portion of the users DM fucked up shit should be defederated?
I think if a whole instance was dedicated to racism or fascism, then yeah
Oh I agree but that’s why I specified a small portion. If an entire instance is dedicated to racism or fascism I 100% support defederation.
What about authoritarian communism?
Not great, but nowhere near the same level of problem in the west where most of us are commenting from right now, so your whataboutism is irrelevant. Wanna try again?
We’re talking about hexbear, so it’s perfectly relevant
I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I’m sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn’t work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate
I couldn’t care less about them
They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.
They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don’t agree with. It’s not just some of the users it’s almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.
Feel free to show us one single instance where they “stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric” because I don’t believe you.
harass anyone they don’t agree with.
Can you show an example of why of this? More sounds like you lost an argument.
Ah yes, lost as in they started posting pig shit balls " so lol you lose fucking lib"
Remember, if you having a conversation with someone on the internet and they’re a bigger asshole you lose the conversation!
Thanks for your hexbear intelligence level adjacent conversation lemmygrad
Stuff that really ever happened. Got it.
I was called a bigot by 7 or 8 different people because I dared to suggest that when someone finishes transitioning, they are no longer trans.
They are a man or woman, or whatever else they identify as.
That made me a bigot.
They don’t help stomp out anything, they turn people against trans people. They literally give conservatives ammunition.
I believe trans refers to gender assigned at birth, so unless someone detransitions or time travels to change their birth gender I don’t think fully transitioning can make you not trans.
Trans people continuing to call themselves trans after transitioning is an entirely different topic.
My point is that I accept trans people.
Someone wanting to call themselves trans after transitioning, in no way, justifies calling me a bigot. That is the most braindead way to try and influence change in the world.
Hexadytes are cancer. They’re cancer here, they were cancer on /r/chapostraphouse.
I don’t really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I’ve seen haven’t been too bad though I’ve heard there are some really bad ones
What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever
Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with “you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions”
Yeah it’s such a terrible suggestion, or maybe just like do that?
Who said I wasn’t also doing that? It’s not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people’s sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently
Because the truth is easier to find in person rather than through many other people’s filters, and the way you wrote it, it seemed like you thought that was a very stupid suggestion… Glad to hear you think it isn’t
Yes that’s why science progresses the fastest when nobody’s collaborating and everybody starts from scratch
… Wait
Ah yes because opinions on people are a science
Sounds like you expect a bar to never kick out annoying people because then the other customers didn’t get a chance to form their own opinion
I thought the problem is that we wouldn’t shut up, or are you lying again
Did you reply to the right comment lol this makes zero sense
we do not shut down discussion
You are not a hexbear, nor are you a moderator
If the people shutting down discussions like that are tankies then they’re a damn sight more subtle about it than literally having “Stalinism” in their username
who said i’m trying to be subtle? Its not my style.
I am a hexbear, double passport.
Technically I mod the trans sublemmy on hex, but I have a little music sub on this account too. I dont care too much for it though, its all 1s and 0s.
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
Hexbear is also filled with authoritarians which isn’t very funny but still offensive
Sure, but to my point: if you don’t know or are unaware of the kind of humor associated with their core userbase, you might not be able to tell the difference at face value.
I maintain the best way for the uninformed to try and understand Hexbear users is to learn about or listen Chapo Trap House regardless of your politics/agreement. It puts a lot of their antics into context.
You have the politics of a slug
Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.
.world did first you lying scum
Didn’t .world preemptively defenderate from them?
Weirdly intense and antagonistic internet communists.
Like, picture that guy you avoided conversations with when you were 19.
Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.
They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
Horseshoe theory
Horseshoe theory is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
It’s like 90% a meme
There were no indications that you were joking, I’ll leave my comment up for other people who missed it.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
I’m saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).
rules based international order
What rules? Who do I report the USA to for repeatedly violating all of the rules and killing millions of people around the globe?
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that’s holocaust trivialization.
the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.
First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.
I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is “left” or “right”.
Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I’m not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.
You literally said this
They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right
You are free to retract this. Could you say for me “Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists”?
Also to be clear I’m accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
lemmy.ml is self described communists https://lemmy.ml/post/55143
Lemmy.ml ≠ the Lemmy developers
It influences who signs up.
not sure why downvote bc he asked why tankies might come from that instance and yall always talk about defederating tankies so who would join an instance that is defederating their beliefs?
removed I’ve been here for 2 years motherfucker, you’re the newbie
I’ve read all the comments here and still don’t have a clue what a hexbear is
Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn’t work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.
It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don’t say how to find this information by yourself.
Then they might find out the “they’re all just tankies!” line is a lie, there’s shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it’s bad!
Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don’t really support LGBT! And you’ve got most normies nodding along with defederating
I think it may be referring to the people who blame all social ills on “corporate greed” and think that belong leftist is exclusively being anti-capitalist. I think this may go along with some pro-Putin/pro-Xi viewpoints, possibly because they believe that “the west” is bad and capitalist, Andy anyone who opposes it is anti-capitalist and good.
I’m glad I know who these people are, so I can be more careful of them. Both here and on Reddit it felt like I was trapped in a bubble with these guys.
Tankies are politically incomprehensible, because they claim to be queer-friendly communists, but support insanely queer-phobic bourgeois dictators like Xi and Putin.
They are vulnerable to the same online radicalization as alt-right bubbles. They say things that get increasingly insane, because it gets them more and more internet points and attention, until they start believing their own outrageous hyperbole.
For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire. Like we’re living in Star wars and he’s the rebel alliance that is bringing down with evil empire with lemmy shitposting.
At this point we need to assume they’re Russian shills and the queer-friendly stuff is a ruse to have a fallback to always claim the moral high-ground
They accused the blahaj.zone admin of “defending a transphobe” and their instance “unsafe for LGBTQ+” people.
The admin in question is trans and blahaj.zone is named after an IKEA shark plushie that’s become an icon of the trans community.
For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire.
Why are you posting your Ls lmao
I mean, he’s making the US sound 100x more badass than it actually is. Who’s taking the L there?
Being an empire isn’t badass, it’s just bad.
Bad at losing because you’re a global hegemony that pulls all geopolitical strings.
Yes, that’s bad.
It’s funny to trace rhetoric back a few years before the Russia-Ukraine war, when there was so much Internet and social media hype over Russia as a superpower, their military overtaking America:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Russia military US before%3A2020
Then suddenly there’s the invasion, and suddenly it’s revealed that the hype was all fake, Russia was bluffing on its military, they are mostly poorly trained, with ridiculously outdated equipment.
And suddenly tons of internet media commentators do a massive 180, and there’s so much rhetoric about how being a global superpower is bad.
Is being a global superpower bad, or do people say it’s bad just because Russia isn’t one after all?
Ever wanted to be talked down to by a 14 year old alt-right sociopath who pretends to support lgbt so they can stealthily insult liberals and blame western whites for how China is?
Edit; downvote more, at the end of the day you’re still a hexbear 🤢
These accusations specifically are always so wild from you libs. Blue anon through and through.
Donald Trump is a communist.
According to some weird red-brown alliance “patriotic socialists,” “maga communists,” or whatever they’re calling themselves now (The first one was probably way too on the nose). We’re not them though. We even immediately drove one of the main figures behind that cryptofash bullshit out, and now they’re just a semi-regular feature in the dunk tank.
/Edit - May be confusing the drumming out with another far less edgy community and/or the r/CTH days. Folks like that are prolific about trying to wedge their way in. Latter point there still stands though.
Equating fascism with communism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
I’m not equating anything here, Donald j Trump is a communist.
Don’t like it? Shouldn’t have drank all that kool-aid. That’s right, you’re propagandized for disagreeing with me!!1
Any arguments or only name calling?
They’ve decided a radically inclusive, three-year-old community of lefties who were here well before there was any serious activity on Lemmy are secret fascists who only pretend to be heavily LGBT for laughs. How are you supposed to respond to that? It’s hugely insulting and absurd on its face.
We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net or !anti_cishet_aktion@hexbear.net or !transenby_liberation@hexbear.net and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
You sound like such a lib
holy fuck I laughed out loud at this outside by myself at ten to 1am … I didnt know what hexbear was, soooo, I reported a post for saying that anyone who ever supports a democratic candidate in america needs to be hit by a truck, and that violence needs to befall them, so the mod I reported it to posted my username and announced I had reported it in a comment to that post. people then piled on saying how I was a hypocrite and deserved violence brought against me, because violence has been done by cops agains homeless and trans people. also, that all I care about is getting brunch
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Like mainland 9gag with a veil of solidarity.
For the majority who don’t know, 9gag is a Hong Kong based meme recycling organization run by people who are equally intolerant of lactose and melanin.
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans. I dont know why liberals feel so comfortable misgendering all of them when they say shit like this.
Also, because you called them alt right, equating them with the alt right: https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Where was the misgendering in that comment?
Literally claiming trans people aren’t actually trans and are just faking it as part of some conspiracy is misgendering.
Trans didn’t even get mentioned in the comment. ಠ_ಠ
“Faking lgbt support” we’re mostly lgbt.
Okay, and I’m still confused on where “faking LGBT support” implies anti-trans? You’re literally seeing things that aren’t there.
🤡
[press “x” to doubt]
Weve all spent three years faking being gay and trans for your amusement, yeah. We even went as far as to code in mandatory pronouns next to display names to own the libs. /s
Imagine being so conspiracy brained that you say such incredibly insulting nonsense.
Who is misgendering anyone in the comment you replied to? They clearly edited their comment at some point, as they posted 29 minutes ago while you replied six hours ago, but what is up right now has no gendered terms at all. Did they remove that language?
You know how you can misgender trans people by claiming that they’re faking being trans right? That’s what it comes down to when they claim we aren’t supportive of lgbt people/faking being lgbt.
Any solid proof of that or just self reports?
Do you want to see their genitals or what? This happened way before the exodus and federation.
I’m a trans hexbear user, are you going to accuse me of faking?
No, but trump is a communist and I have loads of proof.
Trump is literally a billionaire, how could he be a communist? and you’re a troll.
Trump is so broke he can’t pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay? Hopefully he’s in prison one day for all he’s done.
Trump is so broke he can’t pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay?
This is standard rich asshole stuff. The point is being a billionaire is antithetical to being a communist.
Hopefully he’s in prison one day for all he’s done.
Hopefully he’ll be executed.
We’re just interested to see if there are statistics around that support your claim that
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans.
My B, that’s lemmygrad https://lemmygrad.ml/post/723191?scrollToComments=true
Ask lemmygrad folks whether hexbear or lemmygrad has more trans users. Theyll say hexbear. Lemmygrad doesn’t even have pronouns listed in username as default and they have 20 percent trans users.
A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism
i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place
Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.
Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).
haha democracy without voting
Every hexbear person I have come across thinks China is a democracy despite people not being able to at least vote for their representatives.
Since when do people in China not get to vote for their representatives?
Since when was voting for representatives indicative of democracy? If your vote is fixed or if you can only vote for a singular party you wouldn’t be democratic at all.
In China’s case you dan vote for your local representative in an election that might be fixed and you can only vote for communists so while they have voting Im not sure they even count as a failed/failing democracy like the USA is.
Wrong, there are at least 8 other parties in congress and at local levels you don’t need to be a member of any party to be elected to certain posts. Where’s your evidence of the votes being fixed? You’re just lying and making things up about spooky enemy country
what the hell are you talking about
every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?
I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.
:D I’m recognized
I call for the death of bigots, not people lol
Everyone you consider a ‘lib.’ Real discerning. /s
Although I’m pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don’t you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?
Oh this was an excursion to see my “caught in 4k” glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone’s reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.
you don’t seem to have an ideology besides repackaged liberalism
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.
To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.
Your source does not support your claim.
Also Russia is clearly fascist in its current form so any “communist” supporting the current Russian government is at best confused.
China isn’t fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don’t have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.
They are a cult who worship a bear god. The bear god name is Hex. So their religion is called Hexbear.
