You misunderstand. When liberals violently overthrow the aristocracy, that’s a liberation movement. When socialists violently overthrow the capitalists, that’s authoritarian tankie red fascism.
Chinese socialist revolution before Mao’s leadership is pretty legit. Chen Duxiu, Li Dazhao, are all real socialists, they truely cares about the worker and envisions a better future for China.
If anything, many Chinese intellectuals in the republic era really cares about the little man, like Lu Xun, Lao She, etc.
I don’t think I’ve seen this position before and it sounds pretty wild ngl. Let me just lay out my understanding.
Mao disagreed with the party on the basis that he felt the peasants had more revolutionary potential than the small, new proletariat working in what few factories existed in China. Mao’s arguments were rejected, and the party’s commitment to rigid ideology over analysis of the specific material conditions of China led to them being crushed by the Nationalists and massacred. It’s the whole reason that the Long March happened.
The few surviving members of the party regrouped, though they were hunted to the ends of the earth and had extremely little manpower or resources. Despite this, because they used Mao’s approach of appealing to the peasants, who reflected the majority of the working poor, the communist revolution spread like wildfire, gaining more and more supporters everywhere it went.
Once the communists gained power under Mao's leadership, this happened.
I don’t deny that the party before Mao had good intentions, but it seems to me that history has proven their approach wrong in an incredibly decisive way. They tried their approach when the party was in a better position and failed miserably, they tried Mao’s approach after that miserable failure and it succeeded on an enormous scale. I’m pretty curious to know where you disagree with that.
Not a socialist, but I am genuinely curious.
Is there any socialist revolution that you wouldn’t class a fascist?
Well, Chile was a democratic election but then came the CIA because those nasty people wanted their own resources for themself!
Are violent revolutions not a form of democracy? They generally require popular support to succeed.
You misunderstand. When liberals violently overthrow the aristocracy, that’s a liberation movement. When socialists violently overthrow the capitalists, that’s authoritarian tankie red fascism.
Chinese socialist revolution before Mao’s leadership is pretty legit. Chen Duxiu, Li Dazhao, are all real socialists, they truely cares about the worker and envisions a better future for China.
If anything, many Chinese intellectuals in the republic era really cares about the little man, like Lu Xun, Lao She, etc.
I don’t think I’ve seen this position before and it sounds pretty wild ngl. Let me just lay out my understanding.
Mao disagreed with the party on the basis that he felt the peasants had more revolutionary potential than the small, new proletariat working in what few factories existed in China. Mao’s arguments were rejected, and the party’s commitment to rigid ideology over analysis of the specific material conditions of China led to them being crushed by the Nationalists and massacred. It’s the whole reason that the Long March happened.
The few surviving members of the party regrouped, though they were hunted to the ends of the earth and had extremely little manpower or resources. Despite this, because they used Mao’s approach of appealing to the peasants, who reflected the majority of the working poor, the communist revolution spread like wildfire, gaining more and more supporters everywhere it went.
Once the communists gained power under Mao's leadership, this happened.
I don’t deny that the party before Mao had good intentions, but it seems to me that history has proven their approach wrong in an incredibly decisive way. They tried their approach when the party was in a better position and failed miserably, they tried Mao’s approach after that miserable failure and it succeeded on an enormous scale. I’m pretty curious to know where you disagree with that.
In response to your graph and the question of what changed - antibiotics became widespread after ww2, and medical care in general advanced greatly.
Is there some specific policy you think mao implimented that had a bigger impact than those?
Not to mention the many miliions who died during the great leap forward, I’m sure they were reassured by such statistics while they starved to death.
Mao’s approach led to the largest Proletarian Revolution in history that resulted in almost equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.