Doesn’t this rather ignore the fact that the day before the square was cleared of protestors, resulting in hundreds/thousands of deaths?
Considering that Tank Man was never heard from again after the photo was taken, I don’t think you claim to understand his rationale for standing in front of the tank.
We can only assume the reason due to the continued censorship of the photo inside China to this day.
Doesn’t this rather ignore the fact that the day before the square was cleared of protestors, resulting in hundreds/thousands of deaths?
You can see people in the Square in this photo. No one died in the Square, though some people did die elsewhere in the downtown area, but not thousands.
Considering that Tank Man was never heard from again after the photo was taken, I don’t think you claim to understand his rationale for standing in front of the tank.
I can’t read his mind, no. But why else might he want to stop tanks from leaving?
We can only assume the reason due to the continued censorship of the photo inside China to this day.
It’s not censored inside China, though. Why do you think that it is, other than through our own Cold War propaganda that tells us so?
It literally is censored in China. No one learns about this in school. No one sees this photo. It was a shock to my family to learn about this. Are you Chinese? Have you been to China? I don’t get why your comments seem to want to sow doubt rather than provide answers.
Exchange students, so they said they learned about it in high school or in college? Well both of our comments are anecdotal, based on those we know, so I am not sure. I only know no one I know learned about it, but it could have changed.
Tiannenmen was an American backed color revolution.
I was with you speaking truth about what happened in the square vs. side streets, but now you went off the rails.
The protesters were Dengists. The whole thing started when Hu Yaobang died, making people fear that anti-reformist forces within the party would get the upper hand. They were backing up one faction against the other, predictably, the hardliners wanted to crack down on them just as they wanted to get rid of the reformers. That’s why this turned ugly instead of getting resolved in the reformist way, which they were busy doing, having conferences with the protestors.
Background: Weeks prior to the violent escalation of the protests, the CIA maintained a network of informants among the student protesters as well as within Chinese intelligence services, which it used to monitor the situation.[9] . The CIA actively aided the student activists in forming their movement, providing them various equipment including typewriters and fax machines according to a U.S. official.[9]
Oooooh typewriters. Did they also send pencils? Other things that the protestors could get themselves, or do without? That could have come from other places if the CIA didn’t supply them to their moles, to distribute? How many pencils did the protesters use that were not procured through the CIA?
The whole colour revolution thing is a KGB myth. Populations cannot be influenced like that, it’s just not how social dynamics work. It’s a power fantasy they never managed to implement for themselves, but believe the other side has, because they’re that kind of paranoid.
In any case: Yes, the students were Dengists. Is, or is not, Dengism a Chinese political stance. One that wasn’t that extraordinary in the days, and still the foundation of much current policy. Did the CIA come up with the modern stance of the CCP or something or what do you want to imply.
On the one hand you have been presented video and photographic evidence that there were armed riots and the army had their tanks burned down by these so called “protesters”. There is no need to ask a Chinese person, not like you would believe them.
On the other hand, you present System Of A Down and Wikipedia which is notoriously Western biased when it comes to political subjects and straight up contradicts what we see in the images and videos.
Woe me which will I believe. The evidence of my eyes and ears or wikipedia.org?
Right? If ten thousand Chinese people came up to them to tell them they’d just say, of course, they’re brainwashed see see pee bots, else they’d uncritically believe western media
A recent mainstream example would be the Jan 6 protests in USAmerica. The protest about concerns regarding the legitamacy of the USA’s elections was maligned as domestic terrorism and a coup-attempt by some, right?
A protestor got fatally shot and killed by the state appartus.
CW: Suicide
4 police officers involved who were involved in the suppression took their own lives too. Likely due to strain they faced from the state appartus.
Whether peaceful protests are allowed is a basic litmus for any modern democracy. All these incidents show how democratic checks and balances are required to discourage the violent arm of the state.
Doesn’t this rather ignore the fact that the day before the square was cleared of protestors, resulting in hundreds/thousands of deaths?
Considering that Tank Man was never heard from again after the photo was taken, I don’t think you claim to understand his rationale for standing in front of the tank.
We can only assume the reason due to the continued censorship of the photo inside China to this day.
You can see people in the Square in this photo. No one died in the Square, though some people did die elsewhere in the downtown area, but not thousands.
I can’t read his mind, no. But why else might he want to stop tanks from leaving?
It’s not censored inside China, though. Why do you think that it is, other than through our own Cold War propaganda that tells us so?
It literally is censored in China. No one learns about this in school. No one sees this photo. It was a shock to my family to learn about this. Are you Chinese? Have you been to China? I don’t get why your comments seem to want to sow doubt rather than provide answers.
I’ve talked to Chinese foreign exchange students who learned about it in school
Exchange students, so they said they learned about it in high school or in college? Well both of our comments are anecdotal, based on those we know, so I am not sure. I only know no one I know learned about it, but it could have changed.
I dont know when but within the context of conversations it was before they left China
Uh huh.
Well why don’t we ask DeepSeek for more information about it?
Your argument got fully dismantled with evidence and all you have is a bad comeback.
Click the link and check the pictures. Is that a peaceful protest?
I never said it was peaceful, but that doesn’t validate State violence.
So you’re just going to ignore reality? The fact that you can’t look it up on Chinese media? The DeepSeek comment wasn’t a bad comeback, it was the evidence you can see with your eyes, man.
When people start burning down tanks you are well past the point of a “protest”. This was a full on riot.
Tiannenmen was an American backed color revolution. America trained and funded those rioters and many of their leaders fled to America afterwards.
By the way are you aware that Tank Man did not block the tanks from going to the square, but blocked them from driving away from the square?
I was with you speaking truth about what happened in the square vs. side streets, but now you went off the rails.
The protesters were Dengists. The whole thing started when Hu Yaobang died, making people fear that anti-reformist forces within the party would get the upper hand. They were backing up one faction against the other, predictably, the hardliners wanted to crack down on them just as they wanted to get rid of the reformers. That’s why this turned ugly instead of getting resolved in the reformist way, which they were busy doing, having conferences with the protestors.
Absolutely, 110%, Chinese-internal politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird
Oooooh typewriters. Did they also send pencils? Other things that the protestors could get themselves, or do without? That could have come from other places if the CIA didn’t supply them to their moles, to distribute? How many pencils did the protesters use that were not procured through the CIA?
The whole colour revolution thing is a KGB myth. Populations cannot be influenced like that, it’s just not how social dynamics work. It’s a power fantasy they never managed to implement for themselves, but believe the other side has, because they’re that kind of paranoid.
In any case: Yes, the students were Dengists. Is, or is not, Dengism a Chinese political stance. One that wasn’t that extraordinary in the days, and still the foundation of much current policy. Did the CIA come up with the modern stance of the CCP or something or what do you want to imply.
Well I guess we’ll have to rewrite all of the wikipedia pages.
Perhaps we can invite someone from China to do so. Tell me, are the tank drivers available?
Oh, we should also have System of a Down rewrite their song - can’t believe they got it wrong, silly band
Lol, not the shitlib Holy Scripture! Surely it never gets rewritten!
On the one hand you have been presented video and photographic evidence that there were armed riots and the army had their tanks burned down by these so called “protesters”. There is no need to ask a Chinese person, not like you would believe them.
On the other hand, you present System Of A Down and Wikipedia which is notoriously Western biased when it comes to political subjects and straight up contradicts what we see in the images and videos.
Woe me which will I believe. The evidence of my eyes and ears or wikipedia.org?
Right? If ten thousand Chinese people came up to them to tell them they’d just say, of course, they’re brainwashed see see pee bots, else they’d uncritically believe western media
True
State violence should not be validated
A recent mainstream example would be the Jan 6 protests in USAmerica. The protest about concerns regarding the legitamacy of the USA’s elections was maligned as domestic terrorism and a coup-attempt by some, right?
A protestor got fatally shot and killed by the state appartus.
CW: Suicide
4 police officers involved who were involved in the suppression took their own lives too. Likely due to strain they faced from the state appartus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
Whether peaceful protests are allowed is a basic litmus for any modern democracy. All these incidents show how democratic checks and balances are required to discourage the violent arm of the state.
Would this be an example of how it could be seen in different pov’s?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__ESiklA1A
I do oppose state violence, but I doubt Western narratives too.