“The current system is bad, the the only alternative (successor) is super horrible! No freeze preach, no grain, no consumerism. How could anyone live like that?”
Imagined ideal my right bollock. You’ve never met a communist advocating for some ideal, let me tell you that much. Although against whatever you imagine happened in the USSR, it might as well have been a proper utopia. No night raids nor thousands of dissidents killed daily, for a start.
You can take it as you wish. I am talking about red terror. When the black car comes to pick us up. I’m not arguing against communism. I just feel that people forget that men are fallible.
We have the right mind set in here, but it feels that wepeople are talking in the extreme ideals here.
the death toll of white terror is tenfold that of red terror, and most red terror deaths were nazis or fascists or the rich. We need more red terror, not less
Just take the L and log off, I’m sure you’ve got a life to live somehow.
Btw when a comrade called you “Hungarian Revolution understander” they were being sarcastic. MLs have been able to surmise as much for decades now, but with the JFK files it’s been proven it was a CIA operation, not a real revolutionary movement.
Sorry. Some of us get awfully prickly when somebody comes in saying things we know aren’t true. Even when it’s very recently proven stuff—like how we now definitively know that the Hungarian “revolution” was a CIA-backed operation. The USSR correctly clocked it as American intervention, and responded like you’d expect a country to during a foreign invasion.
how we now definitively know that the Hungarian “revolution” was a CIA-backed operation
Interestingly enough it also casts a new light on the 1956 incidents in Poznań. Sure there were a legit worker protests around there too, but also a riot purposefully targeting armories, militia precints and court buildings, being strongly suspected of being instigated by some outside parties (even incredibly anticommunist Polish wikipedia mentions this!), all this during the big international trade expo happening in the same city.
And I get awful prickly when people tell me that the uncle that left Hungary after '56 was either a CIA asset or a useful idiot.
I mean yeah, keep your defenses up, I’m sure every asshole has their day trolling here, but wow is it harsh. I guess I have to learn to frame questions here rather than statements.
Edit: Sry for the first pargrapgh, I was still a little frazzled from the hazing.
Haha, good one. What about raising a word against a corrupt official? How well does that go in any regime?
I mean you can act like I’m advocating for current world order, but I am just questioning the sanctity of our imagined ideal.
“The current system is bad, the the only alternative (successor) is super horrible! No freeze preach, no grain, no consumerism. How could anyone live like that?”
Imagined ideal my right bollock. You’ve never met a communist advocating for some ideal, let me tell you that much. Although against whatever you imagine happened in the USSR, it might as well have been a proper utopia. No night raids nor thousands of dissidents killed daily, for a start.
You can take it as you wish. I am talking about red terror. When the black car comes to pick us up. I’m not arguing against communism. I just feel that people forget that men are fallible.
We have the right mind set in here, but it feels that wepeople are talking in the extreme ideals here.
the death toll of white terror is tenfold that of red terror, and most red terror deaths were nazis or fascists or the rich. We need more red terror, not less
Just take the L and log off, I’m sure you’ve got a life to live somehow.
Btw when a comrade called you “Hungarian Revolution understander” they were being sarcastic. MLs have been able to surmise as much for decades now, but with the JFK files it’s been proven it was a CIA operation, not a real revolutionary movement.
there was already strong evidence of MI6 involvement
Really? I guess we can’t all be edgy teenagers larping as communists.
Sorry. Some of us get awfully prickly when somebody comes in saying things we know aren’t true. Even when it’s very recently proven stuff—like how we now definitively know that the Hungarian “revolution” was a CIA-backed operation. The USSR correctly clocked it as American intervention, and responded like you’d expect a country to during a foreign invasion.
I appreciate you engaging in good faith.
Interestingly enough it also casts a new light on the 1956 incidents in Poznań. Sure there were a legit worker protests around there too, but also a riot purposefully targeting armories, militia precints and court buildings, being strongly suspected of being instigated by some outside parties (even incredibly anticommunist Polish wikipedia mentions this!), all this during the big international trade expo happening in the same city.
And I get awful prickly when people tell me that the uncle that left Hungary after '56 was either a CIA asset or a useful idiot.
I mean yeah, keep your defenses up, I’m sure every asshole has their day trolling here, but wow is it harsh. I guess I have to learn to frame questions here rather than statements.
Edit: Sry for the first pargrapgh, I was still a little frazzled from the hazing.