What America really needs is a president who would issue edicts that order procrastinating artists to hurry up and finish their works before they die
You hear that George RR Martin, you absolute fucking piece of shit??
I’ll give you a better one: Patrick Rothfuss
The guy released name of the wind in 2007 and said all three books of his trilogy are already finished, but then it took four years for the next book to come out in 2011 aaaaaaaaaand…nothing; no third book yet, still working on it, for…what, 14 years with no release date in sight? The fans started out by saying “what, you want him to release a half good book?! I’d rather he take his time and release it as perfectly as possible than rush it!”
They were saying that for a while, but even now they’ve lost hope. The reddit for the kingkiller chronicles is hilarious; people keep discussing their theories on the book and every now and again doomposting about how they’ll never see the third book. There are people who read the book in high school, then went on to graduate university, get a job, get married and get kids, and are still waiting on the third book.
At least GRRM released more than just two books (in a trilogy remember) and there was an actual TV show for people to watch while they waited; and at least the TV show ends roughly the same way the books will.
and at least the TV show ends roughly the same way the books will
Okay but that isn’t comforting anyone
He had, as far as I know, completely stopped editing his last book over eight years ago, and based off what I know from acquaintances who actually know him, and some podcast episodes that featured him, he doesn’t really intend to start again.
As far as I can tell, there were three strong reasons, the first is that he absolutely hated the amount of pressure he was under from fans during the editing of the second book, due to the fact that he basically claims he made an amateur mistake by claiming that the trilogy was completed, which lead to his second thing which was growing to genuinely despise his fanbase and hate his fans, because Rothfuss is a pretty politically conscious guy and basically views these people in the same way we view the treat hogs, who in turn accuse him of using politics as a distraction from his writing (which is a neverending cycle), which then led to the third thing, which was that he grew to despise Kvothe as a person and as a kind of power-fantasy character that appeals to these fans (even if that isn’t actually why we enjoyed Kvothe).
I would be shocked if we actually get a third book that isn’t some sort of ‘fuck you’ to the fanbase, if at all. I mean, the even the short story was basically his way of telling us to ‘shut the fuck up’.
My understanding is that he is a kinda nice guy, unless you want something from him, then he can be abit of a dick, who made a best-selling fantasy novel on his first try without actually developing the writing chops to finish what he started and didn’t have the social graces or care to deal with the fallout of that.
He also did a fundraiser with a stretch goal to get a chapter released. He never released (wrote?) it despite exceeding the amount for fair bit. I won’t say scammed since it was for charity, but a “fuck you” version of the third book would be fitting given the track record.
Yeah, I didn’t follow that, but it definitely isn’t out of left field for him, given his hatred of the fanbase. It was probably his way of saying ‘oh you’ll all give this much just to hear one shitty chapter out of my shitty book, but not just out of actual charity? You all suck fuck you I’m just giving the money away.’
I hadn’t heard the claim that the trilogy was complete. My understanding is that he was writing these with his dad. Once his dad died he basically just stopped.
The part he did that was shitty was a kickstarter/donation drive for something with the promise that if a target was hit he’d read a chapter of book 3 and that played out like a grift.
I have Name of the Wind. Never read it, but it was highly recommended to me in college. I’m glad I never started if it’s still an incomplete story lol. Is it worth starting anyway or does it end in a cliffhanger like Game of Thrones?
The first one is still good as a stand alone if you go into it knowing the large scale stuff won’t get resolved, like a slice of life piece in a fantasy setting.
That’s not too bad.
You basically know the end of the main narrative by the midway point of the book. It’s how the character got there that’s missing.
It doesn’t end in a cliffhanger but…if you love it like others do you’ll be dying to know how the next book is supposed to; personally though I’m just curious, not more than that. There’s a hilariously cringey aspect but you might consider it a spoiler (though it’s not a plot spoiler):
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the main character becomes a wild sex machine
I’m torn on grrm. On one hand he is annoying nerds, on the other hand he is an annoying nerd and the whole “He’s not your bitch” stuff is hard to swallow give that he’s a multimillionaire who keeps lying to people.
Said by unproblematic progressive author Neil Gaiman! Lets be honest most ASOAIF book fans will likely hate TWOW because they hated DANCE & FEAST for being boring (they werent, maybe like 3 chapters but come on) and because their 37437878D chess subvert expectations theories they crafted will likely be false AND winds will likely have an strong focus on the FANTASY aspect and a lot of people hate Euron and think he will like die in the Battle of Blood, which is like the early chapters of winds lol
Young Griff fans will be eating good.
RonCon x Cersei and Jamie x Brienne shippers will eat good as well.
Doesn’t matter; Japan should’ve done this decades ago and now the berserk guy and the dbz/blue dragon guy both died before they could finish their works. If the one piece guy dies, you’ll know about it when even aliens can hear earth screaming.
Ok but the berserk guy died in his 50s, had several health issues and actually accounted for his demise by training someone and leaving behind instructions. GRRM just stopped writing and is playing jurassic park, while greenlighting the 50th mid TV adaption of book background lore.
I wonder how dbz would have ended. Do you think an even stronger guy shows up and they have to fight him but it’s hard cause he’s stronger than the last guy.
I mean DBZ ended with Goku sparring against a reincarnation of a villain who becomes his protege to protect the world, you sarcastic meanie
If we don’t get to see the wizard BDSM pet play on screen, Western civilization as we know it is over
the older I get the more I think Goodkind was just a more self-aware version of Jordan lol
Sword of Truth is like the one schlocky fantasy series that I managed not to get into, so I can’t compare, but it does not seem like self-awareness ever ended up in Robert Jordan’s toolkit.
it’s a good hate-read. imagine wandering through the psycho-sexual power fantasy of a dyed-in-the-wool randian
but wizard bdsm pet play is a central part of the storyline of the first book (and some/most of the ones after that) which your comment got me thinking about.
Never bond a Warder without their consent folks.
But I must have my magical psychic teleconferenced threesomes! I am the Chosen One!
it’s crazy that you even can, even in the context of the magic system
If billionaires streamed themselves watching shows, they’d get tons of sycophants logging in to watch them react to it. Billionaires are the real superheroes of America.
They could add a money tipping mechanism and launder money that way.
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I dunno how they expect the show to be finished when the author dragged it out so long he literally died before finishing it.
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I have read and watched enough unfinished tales that I basically wait until everything is complete before picking them up.
I honestly just avoid anything more than three books long. I don’t got time for that shit. Last trilogy I read was the Imperial Radch and each of those books were fairly easy reads.
I can fuck with longer series (Glen Cook’s Black Company comes to mind) but it does need to end somewhere.
Doris Lessing’s Shikasta series is pretty good and it’s 5 books. They’re not that long or anything
Yea I learned my lesson from asoiaf, I’m fine waiting until a series is finished so I don’t end up waiting for the end of a story that won’t come
Now that I think about it an unfinished series was what killed my childhood interest in Star Wars. That and the whole legends/canon fiasco (young me was very invested in the Star Wars EU and was not happy about changes to canon lol)
Oh boy Legends. I wasn’t happy they ditched that canon either, but at the same time (and at the time) I felt the EU was suffering from the comic book problem of endlessly continuing the story with “the gang” without any real resolution. IMHO short stories like Rogue One or the EU’s Tales series are peak because they thrive in the world building without bogging themselves down with Canon.
Star Wars as a franchise is like a major or rather the CASE of “lore bloat”, especially since even in legends things contradict or do not fit (thematically or otherwise). In all long running franchise there is this symptom (especially if not pedantically vetted), alongside the “special inflation” aka when objects/cultures/powers/traits who are considered extremely rare or a “big deal” suddenly appear in every instalment. In Star Wars case it is the whole another story where the protag or important side-character is a “Jedi that survived Order 66”, even worse when they constantly make characters that previously died in Order 66 survive it (Shaak Ti (my personal exception), Jocasta Nu, Barriss Offee, Luminara Unduli, etc…) like that devalues the event quite a lot.
but… the Wheel of Time show sucks!
I’m enjoying it. I’m curious: Have you read the books? The book people seem to hate Wheel of Time the MOST
I think some book fans had dreamed for so long of an adaptation that it was never going to be good enough, but I think what ruined it for me was that it doesn’t seem to want to tell the kind of story that the books were telling.
I remember the first book as this pretty simple coming of age, fantasy adventure, but the vibe I got while watching it was that the writers really wanted it to be more like GoT. And that just felt like such a cynical decision to me, like the point was to sell more by making it more like the insanely popular thing that just ended a couple years ago.
(My relationship to the books is a kinda complicated. I was hooked as a teen, but feel a lot more ambivalent after a re-read because of the constant sexist garbage I spotted when I was more mature. Like, I’m kinda pissed that teen me was tricked into thinking the weird gender essentialism was a normal, healthy way for men and women to think about each other and themselves, and every other female character is a sexist stereotype. But the nostalgia is unfortunately pretty strong so idk, I never soured completely on it like I did with Harry Potter for instance, so it must have had some redeeming qualities.)
My relationship to the books is a kinda complicated. I was hooked as a teen, but feel a lot more ambivalent after a re-read because of the constant sexist garbage I spotted when I was more mature. Like, I’m kinda pissed that teen me was tricked into thinking the weird gender essentialism was a normal, healthy way for men and women to think about each other and themselves, and every other female character is a sexist stereotype.
me irl
imagine writing a 10k word literary critique of that gender essentialism when you were a teen and not once thinking that the essentialism was problematic, but just a faithful re-creation of the source myths. or even once considering the eurocentrist/colonial depictions of the non-whites. couldn’t be me
The only part that really feels GoTsey to me is the White Tower. All that intrigue and power play. The rest feels like a smalltown gang gets wrapped up in epoch-levrl good-and-evil struggles, like LOTR or Star Wars
I think that’s the way its supposed to feel, so that’s good
It’s very possible i’m just viewing it unfavourably, or experienced the changes in tone as bigger than they actually were, just because it wasn’t what I personally wanted from the showIt’s so rare for a show or movie to be better than its book. It might well be that the.book delivers on this premise even better than the show does, and I can’t notice because I am unfamiliar with the original
What is with women always sniffing and tugging their braids? Am I right fellow men? Seinfeld bass line plays
I haven’t watched the show, but from what I can tell there are people who hate the show because they read the books and people who hate the show because they claimed to read the books or completely missed the repeated mentions of Morraine and Suian being “pillow friends” in magic college and think the show went woke.
think the show went woke.
one of the books written in the early 90s had a trans character lmao. they’re gender essentialist as shit and even that mormon guy that finished the series wrote better women than Jordan, but lol. lmao even.
Was Jordan your typical “she boobed, boobily” sort of author?
more like ‘she ditzed, ditzily’. I guess it’s the same thing
Also each woman is even more beautiful and buxom than the last
One of the Forsaken gets reincarnated as a woman right?
yeah, and gendered correctly after that. Jordan shouldn’t get credit for this, and it’s not necessarily woke, he’s just cribbing norse mythology, also not woke.
but in the modern social context the books were written in, not including any jokes/misgendering of the character is notable. also notable that the character that gets this treatment is a villain, and it’s a forced feminization done by
satansaitan as punishment for failure
I think part of the issue is that to faithfully translate the books to a TV show you’re looking at guaranteed 7+ seasons and there’s no way that’s gonna get greenlit off the bat so they had to do some adaptations
Not the person you responded to, but having the read the books the show is enjoyable. It barely tries to adapt anything from the books, but the little easter eggs show at least somebody in the writers room is familiar with the source material.
Book reader here, I think some of the stuff they’ve changed are just bad choices, like Perrin having a wife who exists only to be fridged, or the mystery of who the Dragon is in S1 (everybody I spoke to predicted who it was correctly several episodes in advance), or either of Rand’s big hero moments that are supposed to happen at the end of S2 just being skipped. Apparently they just skipped the 3rd book entirely for S3, and while much of the later books will have to be cut, some of the elements set up in that book are essential to the ending.
I must be a sucker, because I didn’t know up until near the end that it was Rand. Nynaeve had so much goshdarn powet I thought she mightta been the one.
I agree that the Perrin wife thing is dumb tho. Not a great plotline
IIRC they noticed that Rand hadn’t had any important plot yet, and he had to be there for some reason.
I have, they are a flawed masterpiece. I saw the first season, the finale was so aggravating that I only interact with the show by siphoning off other book readers anger about it.
How does it differ, the end of season 1?
The biggest thing I remember is that the entire gang goes into the Blight to find the Eye of the World, not just Rand and Moiraine, and their journey has some focus on just how evil a place it is, with every plant and animal corrupted by Satan to try to kill everything. IIRC it’s revealed that Lan’s entire home kingdom was taken by the Blight within his lifetime. They meet with the last treeman who isguarding the Eye, and due to his influence, a small area around it is still kept as pure nature not corrupted by The Dark One, then battle two of the Forsaken, who had been driven mostly mad. Both are defeated, but in the process the treeman is killed. The Eye of the World is a big pool of man magic that more or less awakens Rand’s ability to channel Saidin which he uses to (somehow) teleport many miles to Tarwin’s Gap and then magically nuke the trollocs and Ba’azamon. It’s also where they get the Horn of Valere and the dragon banner.
Whoah, that’s super different
Also Invincible please 🙏
But yeah, please stop wasting fossil fuels on inventing space tourism for the ultra rich while the world desperately needs to heal.
As a massive dweeb and fan of the books, I can’t even force myself to watch the third season, the season 2 finale left such a bad taste on my mouth. Like they straight up aren’t even trying to adapt the plot of the books. Also, Robert Jordan accidentally wrote a trans character (who I personally really like) and if the show does get that far, I’m sure they will somehow handle it worse than a guy in the 90s who didn’t even know what a trans person was.
The 8-6 episode megabudget cgi-galore but whack writing/characterization with a wait time of 2+ years shows, are the bane of modern TV culture.
Fucking preach
Wait, is there a trans character I’m forgetting or do you mean
spoiler
the male Forsaken (I forget which) who gets reincarnated in a woman’s body explicitly as punishment for failure?
Halima is actually good trans rep and I will die on that hill, regardless of the fact that Robert Jordan didn’t know what a trans person was when he wrote her. Yes, she is reincarnated in a woman’s body as a ‘punishment’ for failure, but she ends up liking it quite a bit, is able to explore parts of her sexuality she wasn’t able to before, and most importantly, she is an example of a woman channelling saidin. When her cover is blown in the war camp, they don’t accuse her of being a man, they just recognize that she is a woman channelling saidin, and respond accordingly, like this is something they have seen before. The rest of the forsaken treat her as if she legit just transitioned and aren’t really weird about it at all. It’s actually super crazy how well it’s handled. I’ve never heard another trans person complain about how Halima is bad trans rep, only well meaning cis people who don’t have the first hand experience to know that she actually kinda rocks. That, or maybe I’m just so starved for good representation that she is good in comparison to everything else. Probably some combination of both.
It fits here and it doesn’t deserve it’s own post, while Rät - Penelope Scott which was popular around some internet niches for a while a few backs is a bop and has some banger lines I listen to it and I can’t stop to think she’d just fall for the next Elon all over again because despite the allusions to colonialism and such the whole thing reads like “We need a good Elon”
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