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Global fisheries are headed for general global collapse in 10-15 years, tops.
When that happens, our lives are over as we know it, and that is a gentle way of putting it.
Meanwhile techbros are still totally focused on how scary AI is, which is frankly a joke distraction in comparison (except for the catastrophic energy use AI demands to work even somewhat as well as previous solutions).
Spend time with your loved ones and family with the small amount of quality time we have left, and fight like hell. It is now or never.
I think what centrists are refusing to come to terms with right now is that climate change is accelerating now, carbon sinks like forests have hit a tipping point where they are carbon sources accelerating climate change as they burn down.
This isn’t “we need to come together and fight climate change!” anymore, we are going to witness helpless mass suffering the likes of recent generations have mostly never seen or actually considered possible anymore.
Not convinced that this kind of catastrophism is helpful. Certainly not round here, where people are already concerned (indeed stressed) about the subject by definition.
The fisheries thesis (or at least your strong version of it) I have not heard in those terms (and I’m pretty informed). As you surely know, there are plenty of potentially catastrophic outcomes other than fisheries - freshwater depletion, topsoil loss, plus the climate tipping points you mentioned. But nothing is certain in “10-15 years”. Talking in these apocalyptic terms is really a bit silly, not to mention counter-productive IMO. No surer way to tempt fate than to tell everyone that it’s all hopeless and they should all just go home and call it a day.
I do agree with your underlying point that climate is just one among a bunch of serious environmental threats. This is something that lots of people seem to have trouble grasping. Especially Americans IMO. Perhaps because the US lifestyle is completely incompatible with, well, basically any environmental limit, so the temptation might be to focus on one specific challenge and treat it as a problem to be solved. After all, Americans are a problem-solving people, right? They’ll just fix this one and get on with their lives. Etc. Anyway, I’ve gone offtopic so I’ll stop.
Talking in these apocalyptic terms is really a bit silly, not to mention counter-productive IMO.
That is your opinion, you don’t like thinking about negative things and so you are projecting that onto me.
No surer way to tempt fate than to tell everyone that it’s all hopeless and they should all just go home and call it a day.
No, the way we have tempted fate is by pretending things are not anywhere near as serious as they are and then focused our energy on tone policing the people who were suffering already and trying to warn us.
I NEVER said to quit fighting, I said to keep fighting and I will always say that, you are projecting the conclusion that someone with my point of view has no reason to fight, whereas I share my view so that I may hopefully shock people into realizing there is no reason not to fight with everything they have right now. There is no rational reason to save beyond 15 years down the road, to put off spending time with friends and loved ones. We live in an existential time, I am sorry you can’t handle that but other people can and that is why I share.
Let me ask you a question, if I told you I had a terminal illness and only had ~10 years to live, would you tell me to stop being negative about it?
You are the one hurting people by gaslighting them for feeling intense climate grief, you rob people of the fire to fight when you say to despair is useless. Despair is a necessary step into realizing you need to take radical action, there is no positive short cut to it, there is only self deception that provides the illusion of forestalling the discomfort from facing it head on and grappling with it.
To hope with a cynicism that will defend the status quo until the very end is useless.
Things are not ok, and I am sorry but no you obviously aren’t an expert in keeping up with climate science and related topics if you think we don’t face very real existential threats to the global biosphere and functioning of the human food system in the next decade and a half.
and I am sorry but no you obviously aren’t an expert in keeping up with climate science and related topics
This is the only point I will challenge. I guarantee you that I know at least as much about this subject as you do. I choose to respond to it differently. That is all.
Ok, fair it wasn’t productive to challenge your credentials and it hurt my point.
The genuine part that matters to my point is that there are and are going to be a lot more negative emotions around this, because this is about grief.
I get defensive because sometimes it feels like people want to exclude negativity as an axiom to a sober conversation about our future.
I hope I am wrong, my opinion is always evolving, but right not I think is a time to speak honestly about how negative things are shrugs.
how scary AI is,
Given that AI allows spreading propaganda tricking us into this mass-suicidal behavior more effectively, there is another link between this and the crisis of nature and humanity. It would be quite possible to regulate AI though, as at this point creating models is a very expensive endeavor that’s easily noticed.
Hank Green video on what we can do. Reefs can actually recover from bleaching, which I didn’t know.
We will do nothing and you will like it.
Seriously, nothing will be done, nothing has ever been done. Politicians don’t care, people don’t care to protest, so yeah. We’re fuxked, and you’ll like it
Responding to a 45 minute video 11 minutes after it’s posted? Try watching it and see how many people DO care, and how many global organizations are collaborating to urgently address reef health.
You can also volunteer or donate at https://coral.org/en/
Or, ya know, remain ignorant and bitch about it.
Yeah that is not what I meant.
Governments will not do anything that will permanently fix this problem because it would entail levels that require world wide cooperation to be able to pull it off.
We can’t even get our own governments to do a small part to save this planet, I am not holding my breath for anything more than some bandages for the bleeding.
Not being conspiratorial, simply observing that no real effort has been made on way too many issues
That sounds like an excuse to not try anything. We need to push for as much harm reduction as we can, not just give up because a lot of things will die.
There are interesting dynamics at work here.
You may be right. You probably are right. But you’re not certainly right. In that uncertainty lie a wide range of possibilities.
Next, cynicism is corrosive and demobilizing (ask any dictator how powerful it is). By propagating cynicism, you’re making it slightly more likely that your own negative forecast will come true!
This is why, personally, although I’m tempted to agree with you, I choose to shut up about my feelings and instead focus on the upside possibilities of what we don’t know. Seems like a more productive use of my energy - and at least I’m not making things even worse than they already are.
I know I’m cynical, and you’re right. It’s just really rather hard to look at how this has gone over the last twenty years and be expected to hope for more. At best I can hope for not too much less.
You could just sit back and enjoy it instead of commenting like that.
Oh I know it’s cynical. It’s also what it’s going to be judging from the past century or so
I understand cynicism, but not cynicism without nuance.
What the fuck man
