They’re so sensitive because the person who installed them didn’t care enough to adjust the regulator. If this bothers you, you can take the handle off yourself with an allen wrench and adjust the valve so that when you turn it on, it’s the perfect temperature for you every time.
This is a great idea if you are the only one using your shower. If you have 4 family members, each of whom likes a different shower temperature, it is less ideal. I think controls that allow separate on/off and hot/cold dimensions are best for most scenarios.
Yes, but this wastes water, so if you’re trying to be green, you should be able to open up the valve to full hot.
Not only does it waste water, your shower will take longer to heat up.
Also, depending on where you live the perfect temperature changes a lot because of outside temperatures. If you use all the room temperature water in your cold lines then start pulling cold water from the outside. You’re going to have to adjust it. Bigger the house, the more the problem.
But if you have to dump out your entire hot and cold lines to even begin to step in the shower, that’s a ton of wasted water.
Answer is a thermostatic valve. It will just use hot water until it needs to mix in cold. If your cold water temperature changes, it will adjust it automatically. You really do pick a temperature to set the valve at, and then the handle just controls the flow rate.
The regular for a standard mixing valve is there only so you can’t turn the valve to burn you. When people keep their water tanks at 160°F, a full turn to the left would be devastating if you’re standing in it.
That’s 70ºC, 49ºC (120ºF) is usually plenty hot enough and the recommended temperature. It can actually cause burns with long enough direct exposure at 50, 70 is madness.
That’s 70ºC and I’m agreeing that it is a ridiculously high temperature to keep a water tank at. That’s instant second degree burn temperatures, completely unsafe.
Yeah 160° is too hot. But people do it. Small tank multiple showers needed. You can stretch it.
I was saying for people that have their water too hot. The regulator inside the US mixing valve has a stopper so you can’t go to max hot. That’s all the piece inside does, stops you from turning the valve more. Doesn’t help reglate the temperature. Someone in comments said their regulator is bad and I thought it was OP.
If you live in the US, then you probably have a standard mixing valve
If you live elsewhere, it’s probably a thermostatic one
For US:
You want to turn your handle all the way hot to clear your hot water lines fast, it’s room temperature in the hot water lines. Once the water is hot, then you start mixing in cold water.
The first cold water is from the lines in your house. It is heated or cooled by your home, basically room temperature water.
So say I turn the valve on full hot. Pure hot water is pouring out. Now you add some of that “room temperature cold water” to get to your perfect temperature.
Now, once you run out of “room temperature cold water,” it will start pulling water from the street.
I’m guessing you live in a cooler climate area?
120°F + 70°F = perfect temperature
But if the outside water becomes, say 50°F after you use all your water stored in your cold water lines
120°F + 50°F = colder water
So you have to add less 50°F water, which means slowly creeping your valve up until you have steady temperature water going to the valve.
Things like the type of water heater matters. If you use a tank then as you use water it adds water. If you keep your tank at 120° and you’re adding 70° cold water or 50° water to the tank matters. You also have “room temperature water” in your cold lines going to your tank at first, then colder water. So that creates another “lag” in temperature
US standard mixing valves aren’t as nice as a thermostatic valve. They are just cheap and standard and work well enough in most places.
Thermostatic valves allow you to select, say 100°F water, and the knob just controls the water flow rate. No matter what, the water that comes out of your shower will be 100°F. As the water coming into your house gets colder it will automatically adjust. As the water from your tank gets colder, it will automatically adjust.
Sounds like your valve is working as intended though
It’s definitely a nice upgrade. Little pricey in the states because hardly anyone uses them, so they are “specially”. Not any more difficult to install really but plumber might charge a premium.
Well, if you turn it all the way on, it should have the same temp as if you did it the way you described, so yeah, the regulator might be broken. A valve should last you several years before it starts leaking or breaks, so if you’ve had yours that long, it might be time for a new one.
The good news is that replacements are pretty cheap, and for this style of faucet they’re pretty easy to install, usually requiring only a screw driver and probably a pipe wrench to loosen the retaining ring. And if you have a name brand like Delta or Moen, it’s covered under a lifetime warranty as well.
They’re so sensitive because the person who installed them didn’t care enough to adjust the regulator. If this bothers you, you can take the handle off yourself with an allen wrench and adjust the valve so that when you turn it on, it’s the perfect temperature for you every time.
This is a great idea if you are the only one using your shower. If you have 4 family members, each of whom likes a different shower temperature, it is less ideal. I think controls that allow separate on/off and hot/cold dimensions are best for most scenarios.
From my understanding when I fixed mine, when you adjust it it just makes for a more gradual heat change
Yes, but this wastes water, so if you’re trying to be green, you should be able to open up the valve to full hot.
Not only does it waste water, your shower will take longer to heat up.
Also, depending on where you live the perfect temperature changes a lot because of outside temperatures. If you use all the room temperature water in your cold lines then start pulling cold water from the outside. You’re going to have to adjust it. Bigger the house, the more the problem.
But if you have to dump out your entire hot and cold lines to even begin to step in the shower, that’s a ton of wasted water.
Answer is a thermostatic valve. It will just use hot water until it needs to mix in cold. If your cold water temperature changes, it will adjust it automatically. You really do pick a temperature to set the valve at, and then the handle just controls the flow rate.
The regular for a standard mixing valve is there only so you can’t turn the valve to burn you. When people keep their water tanks at 160°F, a full turn to the left would be devastating if you’re standing in it.
That’s 70ºC, 49ºC (120ºF) is usually plenty hot enough and the recommended temperature. It can actually cause burns with long enough direct exposure at 50, 70 is madness.
In the US the standard safety temperature for the water heater is 120° F
You don’t need it higher than that unless you have a small tank and use a lot of it. Tankless is 120°F.
I don’t know where you got 70°C from.
You said:
That’s 70ºC and I’m agreeing that it is a ridiculously high temperature to keep a water tank at. That’s instant second degree burn temperatures, completely unsafe.
Ohh I see now.
Yeah 160° is too hot. But people do it. Small tank multiple showers needed. You can stretch it.
I was saying for people that have their water too hot. The regulator inside the US mixing valve has a stopper so you can’t go to max hot. That’s all the piece inside does, stops you from turning the valve more. Doesn’t help reglate the temperature. Someone in comments said their regulator is bad and I thought it was OP.
I keep mine at 145, because I fear legionella.
I tried that and it still ends up either freezing or burning, unless I turn the handle all the way on, then half way, then creep it up.
Is that what a bad mixing valve looks like?
If you live in the US, then you probably have a standard mixing valve
If you live elsewhere, it’s probably a thermostatic one
For US:
You want to turn your handle all the way hot to clear your hot water lines fast, it’s room temperature in the hot water lines. Once the water is hot, then you start mixing in cold water.
The first cold water is from the lines in your house. It is heated or cooled by your home, basically room temperature water.
So say I turn the valve on full hot. Pure hot water is pouring out. Now you add some of that “room temperature cold water” to get to your perfect temperature.
Now, once you run out of “room temperature cold water,” it will start pulling water from the street.
I’m guessing you live in a cooler climate area?
120°F + 70°F = perfect temperature
But if the outside water becomes, say 50°F after you use all your water stored in your cold water lines
120°F + 50°F = colder water
So you have to add less 50°F water, which means slowly creeping your valve up until you have steady temperature water going to the valve.
Things like the type of water heater matters. If you use a tank then as you use water it adds water. If you keep your tank at 120° and you’re adding 70° cold water or 50° water to the tank matters. You also have “room temperature water” in your cold lines going to your tank at first, then colder water. So that creates another “lag” in temperature
US standard mixing valves aren’t as nice as a thermostatic valve. They are just cheap and standard and work well enough in most places.
Thermostatic valves allow you to select, say 100°F water, and the knob just controls the water flow rate. No matter what, the water that comes out of your shower will be 100°F. As the water coming into your house gets colder it will automatically adjust. As the water from your tank gets colder, it will automatically adjust.
Sounds like your valve is working as intended though
That’s fantastic info. Thank you! Though it sounds like I want to upgrade to thermostatic.
It’s definitely a nice upgrade. Little pricey in the states because hardly anyone uses them, so they are “specially”. Not any more difficult to install really but plumber might charge a premium.
Yeah, you need a new cartridge for yours.
I hope it doesn’t fail open :)
Well, if you turn it all the way on, it should have the same temp as if you did it the way you described, so yeah, the regulator might be broken. A valve should last you several years before it starts leaking or breaks, so if you’ve had yours that long, it might be time for a new one.
The good news is that replacements are pretty cheap, and for this style of faucet they’re pretty easy to install, usually requiring only a screw driver and probably a pipe wrench to loosen the retaining ring. And if you have a name brand like Delta or Moen, it’s covered under a lifetime warranty as well.