So the goal all along was pretext to force women to show men their hoo has?
Also forces women to conform to gender norms. No pixie cuts, no hairy armpits. Those will get you picked up by the cultural police.
While bathroom bills are explicitly aimed at trans folk, generally it’s the non-gender conforming cis crowd that actually gets challenged IRL. Which isn’t a bug, but a feature to control and enforce two clean arbitrary distinctions. Almost always some poor butch lesbian being accosted by the gender police and told to pee safely they need some makeup.
There is more to being a man than a tie, and more to being a woman than a dress. Humand are infinitely more complex than those old strict boundaries. This sort of attack is just a impotent attempt to force back the 1920’e statud quo.
A few years ago, my cis friend got harassed at a bathroom by a woman who didn’t bat an eye at me (trans) being there
They say “we can always tell” and then go harass other cis folk. It’s be funnier if it wasn’t so sad.
Carry pepper spray, end these interrogations as quickly as they begin.
Carry a gun.
Both will result in you getting shot
That’s the thing about wars. You can only get lucky for so long.
But they started it and I ain’t going quietly.
Then start abducting or assassinating politicians
Shooting a lost uber driver never changed anyone’s mind
Viva la resistance
We should all misgender every MAGAt male who enters the men’s bathroom. And tell them that pussies are not allowed in there.
Topic: Jd Vance is a trans man. He uses the “wrong” bathrooms at the White House.
Change my mind.
New way to avoid becoming the Nazi Bar. Ask them for ID before they can use the bathroom.
Fuck yeh
Start standing at the entrance to male toilets in conservative meetups, demanding to see everyone’s (micro-) penis.
They’re probably going to ignore you and go on about their business like adults.
Disappointed but not surprised that the sexual assailant in this article has not been charged with anything yet, let alone sexual assault…
Calling someone a creep for not matching your gender appearance expectations, as at least one of the women in line for the bathroom did to this lady, is also arguably sexual harassment. But nobody’s going to bring any consequences against the woman that did that. Typical cis woman weaponizing false victimhood and then disappearing into the background with zero consequences and possibly zero self reflection.
If someone confronts you in a hateful way about your gender like this, maybe you suddenly become afraid for your safety (valid!) and spray them in the face with pepper spray.
When people ask what happens say you became afraid the stranger was trying to hurt you and put your body under threat because they were.
Might go over better in court if you wait until after they are asking to see your private parts.
Better to just carry a gun and asking questions later. Make sure they know why they were killed before they die. Tell them to their face as they lay dying. “You die because you’re a sack of shit.”
No judgement to anyone, but I think pepper spray is a better option here because bigots want you to be a threat which makes resisting hard because resistance can be so easily propagandized as a violent threat.
If you spray someone in the face with pepper spray, well… it is much harder to make the argument you are a violent threat vs. that person was being a fucking creep and making you feel uncomfortable because you were alone with a stranger in a bathroom being accosted about details of your gender and body that have NOTHING to do with them.
It is 2025, I am not going to judge trans people or other vulnerable groups for taking their safety into their own hands, just be mindful of how you do it and consider how you can subvert the toxic attempt to narrativize your actions as evil.
A man barging into a private room with you alone. That alone is a threat of bodily harm and depending on the state. You are within your rights to consider it a lethal threat and can stand your ground. I suggest shooting the head or heart. Don’t injure. Shoot to kill. Just my opinion on clowns coming after people to prove their sex.
Look at this point if I see someone giving a trans/queer coded person shit/hurting them/threatening to hurt them I am going to assume my job is to get as many nearby people to notice and shut that shit down by sheer force of normal people crowding out the couple violent fascist assholes because they can’t do anything to a quickly growing crowd of angry normal people…
…so I am really not interested in judging queer people too hard on any reaction they have right now as a cisgender hetero white dude.
I am so mad, I think I could honestly convince most normal people to intervene with their bodies in a situation like that if there were enough people around, anti-trans beliefs aren’t that popular and most normal people are fucking tired of it and just want politicians to make their lives materially better and the more they hear about rightwing gender bullshit violence thinly veiled as pseudo-science the more creeped out they get about the weird obsessions of the rightwing that motivates these pathetic vessels of hate.
The problem of course, and what we are talking about, is when nobody but a queer coded person and a fascist are around, and I have no grounds to pass any judgement in how queer people choose to respond in that space.
I don’t rock a gun ever. But I’m a 6’2 dude pushing 280lbs and a power lifter. I’ve had enough experience doing security. Where people have tried to assault my patrons. Including trans, gay and minority individuals. I have no patience for that shit. If I see it. I stop it. And so far I haven’t had to use lethal force. But I’m ready. Just I use my bare hands.
A gun is not an appropriate solution to this, non lethal response is a better solution, and will provide you MUCH better protection in court afterwards. Murder\Manslaughter charges can fuck you over very easily, even if you THINK you are defending yourself.
And before anyone thinks I’m anti-gun. I have a CC license and I have hunted for 30+ years.
Not defending the idea of vigilante justice for bathroom perverts – but even if so, why would it be important that they know why they were killed?
Malice. Revenge.
It’s a good reason people like @cocopanda don’t have a significant impact on how people behave in the real world.
You shouldn’t even exist.
Wow, you’re replying to all of my comments.
It’s pretty weird.
If anyone ever corners me in a bathroom and tries to look at my genitals I’m stabbing them
Security asked for ID so at least that was clickbait. Apparently this happened WHILE they were inside the stall btw.
Security literally started banging on the door full force demanding they open it while people are doing their business.
Between what?
God forbid you take a shit in the vicinity of someone with different genitalia. The entire bathroom debacle is straight up childish.
Good god, imagine them even looking different! At a certain point, I don’t even care about the genitals, I just don’t think women should be allowed to cut their hair or wear jeans or shoes (/s I don’t even know what I’m channeling at this point)
You’re probably channeling the type of Americans who don’t travel outside of their own country or if they do they only ever hang out in a Starbucks at the airport cuz anything non American scares them too much.
Oof especially arabic alphabet. They treat it like eldritch runes.
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This conversation is way above your head. Toddle off now.
Is it because I’m saying truths you don’t like?
So Tomboys and Butch women are illegal now, got it.
why not just rip the bandaid off and start saying only blonde white women are good, you’ve got Vince McMahon’s wife in the inner circle afterall…
What’s the difference between a tomboy and a butch woman?
Butch implies they’re sapphic, tomboy does not.
butch is more masculine
So Tomboys and Butch women are illegal now
🤦
got it.
So ironic.
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So pissing in a bowl is considered sexual assaulting women now? Wtf? Not like she did it out in public fucking hell America is making itself look shittier and shittier every day now
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Again, you should just disappear.
History has shown us that if a man wants to go into a women’s bathroom to harass or assault women, he doesn’t usually get all disguised to do it.
Why would a rapist pretend to be a trans woman in a society that treats rapists better than trans women?
Yeah and (at least in this case) if he’s a security guard, he just walks right on in!
And they are usually white men. In a security guard outfit.
Or pageant owners…
Turns out the male in the women’s bathroom was the security guard, instead.
Again.
So women won’t be able to even take a piss without being under the control of armed men. It’s almost as though they’re using trans people as an excuse. . .
How dare she think that
But I’m guessing you’re exaggerating to argue in bad faith.
Did you watch the video friend? No exaggeration needed, that’s literally what she says lol.
When I was a kid I thought fancy ladies rooms had butler dudes in them too
I’ll be honest, it never really crossed my mind that the ladies room attendant was a chick, I never really put much thought into that one.
Also too, BECAUSE IT’S JUST A DESIGNATED PLUMBED ROOM TO TAKE A SHIT, NOT A FUCKING THING TO BE POLITICIZED.
I am a guy, but I have actually been to a few places, maybe two, in my whole life, that actually did have butler type people in the restrooms.
IIRC, one was some yearly corporate gala thing… utterly insufferable… the other was a fancy pants opera theatre.
“For gender nonconforming, lesbians, women in general, being harassed in public restrooms is a tale as old as time. I do think the surge in national anti-trans rhetoric is contributing to an increased policing of women’s bodies and their expression of gender,” Selvaggio said.
And yet, terfs will blame trans folks for this trend, instead of the anti-trans culture they themselves contribute to.
Yup, the terfs in line couldn’t imagine a woman exists who didn’t look like their version of a woman to them since she didn’t follow every trend of what “being a woman” should look like based on social media, most likely.
Baker was born a woman and identifies as a woman. But, she said she was escorted out of the restroom and then comments were directed at her from other women waiting in line.
“Someone said, ‘Get him out of here,’ referring to me. ‘He’s a creep,’ also referring to me,” Baker said.
Look at yourselves, making up a story you want to hear and then running wild with that narrative??
There’s no indication at all that “radical feminists” are involved, and if there was, they’d probably be supporting the poor woman kicked out of the loo
Maybe I’m in a bubble, but it’s true that I haven’t heard a TERF of crypto-TERF talking point in a while. Even my mother who is somewhat susceptible has been quiet on it.
I’m already seeing it “Transpeople caused this!” “This wasn’t necessary until THEY stirred the pot!”
TERF Kinds of fascist apologia
Well, it wasn’t necessary until recently and it’s only a problem in relatively few locations globally.
Both sides blame each other for why there’s a problem.
Go figure.
better title: security guard sexually assaulted a patron.
By definition this is so close to terrorism
I don’t see what the big deal is about bathrooms. I have been to bars and nightclubs and even gas stations where there is no gender assigned to the bathrooms. You have stalls and you have urinals. Anyone who only wants to pee and can do so standing up, uses the urinal. Anyone who needs to poop or wants to sit down while they pee uses the stalls. No one touches anyone else without permission and staring at anyone else’s crotch in the bathroom is creepy. I know men are creepy but I would argue that they will behave themselves better when there is more traffic in and out of the bathroom. Hanging a sign that restricts gender won’t keep a creep from lurking in there anyway.
Yeah, I’ve used the men’s room before and nothing happened. I saw the urinals and realized my mistake, but when you gotta pee, you gotta pee.
I once drunkenly wandered into the women’s restroom at a bar, took my piss after I couldn’t find the urinals, got all the way to the washing my hands phase, me and a lady who was also minding her business locked eyes while she also washed her hands, we both triple took, then I said “ooops I’m not supposed to be here” then we both just cackled, and went about our business.
That’s the end of the story, no one was upset, no one was assaulted, no one gave a single fuck and we both had a good laugh.
A mate of mine met his wife in the women’s toilets
(Mens was disgusting, he nipped across, she “caught” him in there and laughed her arse off at his expression. )
That’s just it, these pricks who keep throwing a fit about who uses which bathroom are really much more interested in hating transgender people than they are about protecting anyone. You can point out stats about who is actually assaulting who and how it’s happening, and it won’t change a thing, because protection was never the point.
The cruelty is the point.
Punishing deviation from gender norms is the point.
Nice high horse but those creeps will hate on the other cis gender as well. The article even says other women in line were criticizing – puritans and what not.
Not a new phenomenon either.
It’s the same reason why there’s suddenly a big deal about women’s sports.
It’s not about protecting women at all, since it now leads to men policing those spaces and basically demanding from women that they drop their panties to prove their sex.And that is the actual goal, to invade women’s spaces and bodies.
Why do you people assume it’s only men that don’t want males using female bathrooms?
There are a lot of women who also don’t want males using their bathrooms.
Very location dependent. I’ve no issue with trans women in the women’s bathrooms but I don’t want men in the women’s bathrooms everywhere. Clubs, parties, homes, work office even, but mostly anonymous quiet public bathrooms, no. And it’s about walking in and a man or group of men being in there already, plus being followed in.
“it’s about walking in and a man or group of men being in there already, plus being followed in.” A sign won’t prevent that. The sign will only prevent men who care about rules and social norms from going in there. The kind of men that we all need to worry about, don’t care about such things.
I understand what you’re saying but I have never walked into a women’s bathroom and there been any men in there ever. No matter what country or type of place I’ve been in.
This attitude doesn’t make any sense.
If you don’t want groups of men in the womens’ toilets then why would you support a system that would force Trans men to use womens’ toilets on a mandatory basis?
I’m not supporting that system. I think trans women should used women’s bathrooms and trans men should use men’s bathrooms. Where did I say different? I don’t want men in women’s bathrooms.
My apologies, misread your statement.
No worries, thanks for the apology.
but I don’t want men in the women’s bathrooms everywhere.
How are you going to enforce this?
I’m not, I just don’t want men in there but I’m not going to enforce anything.
Oh, my bad. I didn’t realize English may not be your first language. Let me clarify.
How do you think what you suggested should be enforced?
Currently having segregated bathrooms is working well enough.
That’s fair.
