“The Constitution is clear,” Miller told reporters outside the White House. “The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion. So, to say that’s an option we’re actively looking at … a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.”
this is the time for civility libs to really shine as an appendage of fascism
have a corpse on us :kelly:
Genuinely surprised no one in the US who was about to be a victim of state sanctioned kidnapping has decided death is preferable to CECOT and just started [redacted] ICE agents.
most people are too nice and innocent for their own good.
they send a fucking company of paras to arrest handfuls of people, the whole strategy is to make fighting seem hopeless
Depends on what you’re hoping to achieve. Victory and survival? Very unlikely if alone. Multiple casualties, a lifetime of trauma for the rest and a reason to think twice before kicking in the next door? Achievable alone with planning and drill, I think.
you’re asking for more
and i don’t think they’re all that commonIn spirit yeah, and thats unfortunately true. But I think that what Im really trying to get at here (and now that I boil it down, it seems pretty “yeah no shit”) is that I think there’s value to, I guess I’ll say "Sober consideration of one’s final options and conduct if ever forced suddenly into a life or death situation. In fact, it’s so no-shit that I’m gonna delete this comment after leaving it up long enough for you to see it and know it’s not something insulting
i don’t think most people have the energy to plot a rambo standoff with paramilitaries, who don’t generally announce what they’re doing in advance.
i’m not shittalking resistance, i promise, but we cannot expect people to spontaneously develop a consciousness and militancy, even in extreme conditions. that’s what organizing is for
then don’t def3nd against the en3my, 0ffend against the en3my. be proactive
make yourself un-an0unc3d!
Ok go ahead
I agree with your assessment, I just wasn’t sure. I’ve just seen a lot of people (to be fair, mostly liberals) doing that thing where they immediately take any talk of last-minute resistance as useless, a foregone waste of time, a larp, ect, and i dont think that kind of talk helps anyone. Not that I think you’re engaging in it, I’ve just felt the need lately to push a little in the other direction in those exchanges and remind people, without slipping into rambo fantasies, what’s historically possible with a little resources and dedication. But you’re right, those examples are aspirational and cannot be expected from most disorganized individuals.
i support this. i just treat hexbear like a place where everyone is a jaded activist already so i’m less concerned with the public-facing shit.
some hexbeariens are new though, so your approach is still instructive and valuable
Ice*, ICE, Baby
*transitive verb form
your mind thinks like mine
I did it first but feel free to save it, it’s all yours. Thanks Lori
“The executive is going to skip habeas corpus if the courts don’t support our current disregard for habeas corpus”
“Checks and balances” was a masterful marketing slogan. It’s worked on people for almost 250 years.
Whatdaya mean the court having no enforcement mechanism for its power of determining constitutionality that it granted itself isn’t a useful check?
It’s tradition, at this point.
And then you have absolute dick holes like this
POINT OF PROCESS!
Suspending the right to a trial is ACTUALLY under the jurisdiction of Congress. No argument with the explicit justification of crushing rebellion, just that the Cheeto is doing it instead of a bipartisan Committee on Un-American Activities.The Constitution is shit. It is a slaveowner document. The Bill of Rights, in a vacuum of both textual and historical context, is okay, but all these motherfuckers who wax poetic about The Constitution need to actually read Articles I-V. They need to read the Federalist papers. They need to understand this was meant to be a plantation / finance / settler colonial aristocracy from the very beginning. The bicameral legislature was literally designed to undermine democracy. The electoral college was literally designed to undermine democracy. There has been an outspoken contempt for the will of the people from the very founding of this republic. The “founders” don’t even attempt to hide this in their literature. They explicitly state this as their motivation on several occasions.
In the first couple years of Trump 1.0, I got the impression that the USA had lost its way. I started reading a bunch of this shit, trying to figure out where things had gone wrong. What I discovered was that everything is actually working exactly as intended.
#1 Prison state and weapons dealer in the ‘free’ world.
invade deez nutz
gottem
Step one for full dictatorship.
Always has been
That’s a few steps in.
Counterpoint: the US has been one step away from being outwardly fascist since at least Bush Jr.
Andrew Jackson was probably closer than Bush
this is a norms-pilled analysis, the material strength of the players was very different in that period. if states had actually opposed Jackson he’d have been fucked, the federals didn’t have the strength to militarily overwhelm even one state, but none of the state governments, especially those concerned with the ruling, cared to.
by the time of bush (and this had been the case since truman or thereabouts), the federal government, and executive office had assumed absolute soverignty.
The thought occurred to me as soon as I made the comment lol Wilson was a better example.
Also I have no idea what norms-pilled mean. I have trouble keeping up with these things.
Edit: Jackson did plant the seeds though. The Nullification crisis was all about his willingness to use military force against South Carolina for opposing his tariff. Would he have been fucked if he had planned to do what he intended to? Henry Clay seemed to think that South Carolina would have been fucked had the compromise not pulled through.
norms-pilled just means the a focus on the forms of democracy to a neglect of the material situation–the constitutional/legal violations of jackson and trump are the same, but the latter has much more actual power.
but yes jackson planted the seeds, I think some of those fascists doing unitary executive theory use his example.
nullification is interesting because the prevailing interpretation is that Jackson avoided a civil war by his conduct, and whatever the man actually thought he was constrained by a political reality of the feds being weaker than states. Could 2,000 regulars have taken Charleston? yeah. could those 2,000 defeat NC, GA, whoever else decided the response to SC was an overreach? Mind the North did not like Jackson so much as Lincoln.
His naval solution to the Nullification, and the gracious settlement after was a very adept way to handle it while avoiding escalation
That isn’t contrary to my point
