Offshoot of the Western leftist mantra of nothing ever being holy enough.
Hasan does good shit within the confines of the parameters he can exist within, and is a net positive for us, even if he doesn’t share our views one-to-one.
yeah someone who watches hasan and learns about the world and takes what he says seriously is a lot more likely to then be receptive to going further, learning more and coming to understand hasan’s limitations and bad/mid takes. But on the whole he’s a positive, even if he’s got a ton of fans who are oblivious or don’t fully take his points/logic to heart, let alone go further, they are at least not instinctively anticommunist and generally vibe with us.
He makes calls and has takes that i don’t agree with, often in the interest of “optics”, but just covering the shit that he does is a huge boost to the level of discourse happening in a lot of corners of the internet. Just getting people talking about ansarallah and their blockade in a positive light and with context is a huge boost against the “they’re just terrorists attacking civilian shipping vessels” people
Maybe this is because I’m not a Hasan watcher but all this “he’s doing more than any of you critics and complainers” and “you’re just mad because he’s better looking / richer etc” reminds me of the kind of glazing that goes on in any cult of personality… not that Hasan’s politics are anywhere near as bad as Musk’s obviously, but it does remind me of the kind of glazing that Elon stans do.
There’s an element of classism too, like you can’t critique your betters because you weren’t born with the family resources and connections that you get from being born moderately wealthy. Like excuse me if I’m not well positioned enough to talk to a million people online every day, but I think “progressive” streamers should not be glossing over AOC and Bernie’s social fascism, (EDIT) for example.
And yes I am aware that Hasan is always raising money for based causes and that’s awesome, he should keep doing that. I’ll keep criticizing his liberal and reactionary tendencies though. This “you only criticize Hasan because you think you’re too cool for school and nothing ever happens, you only criticize because you’re an edgelord” BS is gross and childish, tbh.
Also I did watch his ~45 minute video about the detainment and it is disturbing what he went through, and I think the fact that he is getting this kind of attention from state security forces is an indication that he’s on the right side of history, so that’s granted, just so it’s clear I’m not biased. But I was made to listen to a rant from Hasan against veganism and it was such an ass take I couldn’t listen to the whole thing. If you’re a Hasan fan that’s fine, I enjoy some much worse media, just real slop on the regular so I’m not being edgy or holier than thou. But if you’re a Hasan fan then I think you should be able to recognize where he sucks without (EDIT) immediately jumping to his defense, at least among more radically minded people.
(Edit: more radically minded than the general population, I mean.)
Incorrect, the reason I don’t like him is because of this rod-polishing parasocial relationship people have with him for scraping the literal bare minimum, which isn’t unique to him but part of a larger critique of the alienation that is inherent to streamer media.
I mean for Christ’s sake, this is the exact same argument as ‘You just criticize capitalism and want communism because you are jealous of other’s success’ level of breadtube argument slop.
You don’t like him because people e-fellate him? That can’t be on him. Sure, I understand if you want someone as popular and ‘on our side’ to be deeper, more intellectual, more politically engaged, but I won’t let perfect be the enemy of good. In a world of Ethans and Musk fanboys, Hasan is a breath of fresh air, and that is enough for me.
I never said it was ‘on him’. I’m not even mad that he is surface level. Don’t put words in my mouth, please.
I said that it was part of a larger critique. Streaming culture is bad for us, politically, as leftists. It is inherently bad because it creates a simulacra of community, without even a hint of theoretical will to power. It is the ultimate liberal simulation of politics without actually being politics. You feel ‘politically engaged’ without actually engaging with the polity. How can you? The community only exists if you are actively online supporting it, which means you are actively disengaged from the polity. You are engaging with a petite bourgeois capitalist influencer on a capitalist rentier platform. At least recognize it.
As such, even the best part of it, which Hasan absolutely is, is still bad. Therefore, I don’t like him, because I don’t have to like him.
Yeah, too many on Hexbear got that “Too cool for school” ass energy that needs to be dispensed with asap
Offshoot of the Western leftist mantra of nothing ever being holy enough.
Hasan does good shit within the confines of the parameters he can exist within, and is a net positive for us, even if he doesn’t share our views one-to-one.
yeah someone who watches hasan and learns about the world and takes what he says seriously is a lot more likely to then be receptive to going further, learning more and coming to understand hasan’s limitations and bad/mid takes. But on the whole he’s a positive, even if he’s got a ton of fans who are oblivious or don’t fully take his points/logic to heart, let alone go further, they are at least not instinctively anticommunist and generally vibe with us.
He makes calls and has takes that i don’t agree with, often in the interest of “optics”, but just covering the shit that he does is a huge boost to the level of discourse happening in a lot of corners of the internet. Just getting people talking about ansarallah and their blockade in a positive light and with context is a huge boost against the “they’re just terrorists attacking civilian shipping vessels” people
They don’t like it that a guy can be both ‘on the right side of history’ and handsome, probably, lol.
Maybe this is because I’m not a Hasan watcher but all this “he’s doing more than any of you critics and complainers” and “you’re just mad because he’s better looking / richer etc” reminds me of the kind of glazing that goes on in any cult of personality… not that Hasan’s politics are anywhere near as bad as Musk’s obviously, but it does remind me of the kind of glazing that Elon stans do.
There’s an element of classism too, like you can’t critique your betters because you weren’t born with the family resources and connections that you get from being born moderately wealthy. Like excuse me if I’m not well positioned enough to talk to a million people online every day, but I think “progressive” streamers should not be glossing over AOC and Bernie’s social fascism, (EDIT) for example.
And yes I am aware that Hasan is always raising money for based causes and that’s awesome, he should keep doing that. I’ll keep criticizing his liberal and reactionary tendencies though. This “you only criticize Hasan because you think you’re too cool for school and nothing ever happens, you only criticize because you’re an edgelord” BS is gross and childish, tbh.
Also I did watch his ~45 minute video about the detainment and it is disturbing what he went through, and I think the fact that he is getting this kind of attention from state security forces is an indication that he’s on the right side of history, so that’s granted, just so it’s clear I’m not biased. But I was made to listen to a rant from Hasan against veganism and it was such an ass take I couldn’t listen to the whole thing. If you’re a Hasan fan that’s fine, I enjoy some much worse media, just real slop on the regular so I’m not being edgy or holier than thou. But if you’re a Hasan fan then I think you should be able to recognize where he sucks without (EDIT) immediately jumping to his defense, at least among more radically minded people.
(Edit: more radically minded than the general population, I mean.)
That is silly. All hexbears are remarkably good-looking and I refuse to believe otherwise.
Incorrect, the reason I don’t like him is because of this rod-polishing parasocial relationship people have with him for scraping the literal bare minimum, which isn’t unique to him but part of a larger critique of the alienation that is inherent to streamer media.
I mean for Christ’s sake, this is the exact same argument as ‘You just criticize capitalism and want communism because you are jealous of other’s success’ level of breadtube argument slop.
You don’t like him because people e-fellate him? That can’t be on him. Sure, I understand if you want someone as popular and ‘on our side’ to be deeper, more intellectual, more politically engaged, but I won’t let perfect be the enemy of good. In a world of Ethans and Musk fanboys, Hasan is a breath of fresh air, and that is enough for me.
I never said it was ‘on him’. I’m not even mad that he is surface level. Don’t put words in my mouth, please.
I said that it was part of a larger critique. Streaming culture is bad for us, politically, as leftists. It is inherently bad because it creates a simulacra of community, without even a hint of theoretical will to power. It is the ultimate liberal simulation of politics without actually being politics. You feel ‘politically engaged’ without actually engaging with the polity. How can you? The community only exists if you are actively online supporting it, which means you are actively disengaged from the polity. You are engaging with a petite bourgeois capitalist influencer on a capitalist rentier platform. At least recognize it.
As such, even the best part of it, which Hasan absolutely is, is still bad. Therefore, I don’t like him, because I don’t have to like him.
Thank you, yeah this is one of the main points I’m saying and I don’t think it’s holier-than-thou or edgelord to point that out.
Fantastic comment, saving it for the next time I need to articulate one of the reasons why I don’t watch streamer media