• Rojo27 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    81·
    15 hours ago

    Is there a reason why they wouldn’t want him reading the shooter’s manifesto? “Antisemitism”? Its not like its not out there for anyone to read. Doesn’t make any sense, but I have a feeling it might just be a combination of things including how some people have blamed him for informing the shooter’s vews.

    • hellinkilla [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      6·
      2 hours ago

      I don’t follow streaming or use twitch so I can’t speak to any context or consistency in this approach.

      However, I think there is a generally-accepted concept in journalism that sharing of certain kinds of potentially inflammatory information ought to be done with caution. This is established for quite a while regarding reporting on suicide, which is thought to increase the likelihood of other people following suit in the near future.

      When it comes to “manifestos” of people who have conducted showy shootings, you have to remember that these are for the most part racist, anti-lgbt, anti-muslim, misogynist, anti-immigrant motivations. There is a feeling that it isn’t a good idea to widely share hate literature involved in massacres, because people could (and have) taken them as inspiration for further fashy violence. If you are just broadcasting white supremacist “ideas” out into the media, it’s impossible to inoculate all the audience, and you will inevitably end up spreading and promoting race hatred.

      So if you imagine yourself as a liberal who can’t tell the difference between different situations, who just looks at things in the most infantile simple way, and one shooting is the same as another, this probably makes sense as a guideline.

      Naturally, this rule only applies to individual shooters who are not directly affiliated with the state. Other kinds of violence are somehow exempt.

      Journalism has been in a death spiral for some time now whereas gaming it a money maker. Twitch is a gaming website. Why would they want to have anything to do with journalism? Hasan is trying to use their resources towards his own end. But there is nothing in it for twitch. It will only cause them to become entangled in all kinds of grief.

      They will exist in tension with each other, trying to go as long as they can, until they cannot.

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      92·
      15 hours ago

      i think there’s a pattern developing of twitch responding to external pressures against him by banning him for a sunday and then unbanning him at night so he can do the regular news coverage on monday. which is to say, i don’t think they’re actually responding in any meaningful way on the basis of any particular actual reason like “antisemitism” or “terrorist support.” they don’t care that he’ll be beleaguered by fascists on those grounds when they ban him for a day for this purpose, but i think they see it as a pressure release valve that lets them still make money on him for now.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        14·
        5 hours ago

        i think there’s a pattern developing of twitch responding to external pressures against him by banning him for a sunday and then unbanning him at night so he can do the regular news coverage on monday. which is to say, i don’t think they’re actually responding in any meaningful way on the basis of any particular actual reason like “antisemitism” or “terrorist support.” they don’t care that he’ll be beleaguered by fascists on those grounds when they ban him for a day for this purpose, but i think they see it as a pressure release valve that lets them still make money on him for now.

        It also builds a portfolio of evidence and history for their eventual decision to permanently drop him at any time they feel like it without getting any dramatic rebellion from users. What Twitch is concerned about the most is the potential of streamer bans to result in audiences leaving Twitch for wherever the streamer goes to instead. In particular the potential for those audiences to create mass exoduses and rebellions because of “bad twitch decisions”. Building a large portfolio of bans up first is a safety buffer for Twitch.

      • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netMEnglish
        491·
        13 hours ago

        This is a good sober analysis but I think there is another reason too: The manifesto is very level headed, grounded, and well reasoned.

        • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          31·
          12 hours ago

          I do also think that those pressuring the platform are themselves motivated by the broader media push to slander Elias as an antisemite when that is so clearly not the case.

  • mkkhan@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    78·
    15 hours ago

    I hate this timeline. Not exactly sure but people are speculating it’s him saying there’s no difference between zionists and nazis.

    • dead [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      30·
      13 hours ago

      The suspension is temporary. Most temporary suspensions on twitch are 1-2 weeks. Taylor Lorenz said on twitter that Hasan’s suspension is only 24 hours. I don’t know whether that is true. I’m not sure how she would know that.

      Hasan has a twitter, tiktok, instagram, twitch, youtube, and there’s like a hundred youtube fan accounts that rehost segments from his stream. If he gets permanently banned from twitch, then he would stream on youtube instead.

        • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          27·
          14 hours ago

          God I fucking hate the chat, the sub popup bullshit, and all the pseudo-relationship stuff that goes on there.

          Sometimes I watch Grubby on YouTube, stuff that was originally posted to Twitch. And he’s gotta patiently explain the most basic human things to his chat. Like, don’t spam hate a woman if she won’t date you or don’t post gore in the chat. Grubby is a relatively mature and level headed person, I think he’s doing a real service for people who’s parents probably weren’t around too much.

          • IHave69XiBucks@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            14·
            12 hours ago

            I dont really get the whole chat thing. I will watch live streams such that its something i play in the background while i do the dishes or something so that i dont have to go click on videos and itll just play. I’ve never seen the mass appeal of screaming into the void by chatting on there. Maybe on a smaller streamer with a dozen or less viewers you could actually talk to them but anyone with a few hundred or more and its just a mess.

            • Dirt_Possum [any, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
              5·
              7 hours ago

              I wonder about that too. I never watch Twitch or livestreams like that at all, but I do sometimes watch uploads of certain parts getting recapped. It’s just this moving smear of complete unreadable noise it’s so fast and full of emoji spam. But Hasan or whoever the person hosting will still pick out certain comments from it and talk to the person, and I’m like how?? I’m guessing the comments that get chosen must be higher tier subscribers and those show up separately to him or something. But for everyone else, what’s the point? Like you said, just to scream into the void? Maybe on some insignificant chance someone else watching will glance at just the right split second to see what you said in chat?

          • Wisp [fae/faer, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            8·
            14 hours ago

            I don’t know if this is true or just hearsay but I did see someone on 4chan saying he was “based because he called trans women cringe”. I don’t know that this is true for a fact but I’m just putting it out there. I watch him occasionally but he definitely comes off apolitical (derogatory) but that might just be him being aware of the fan base

                • GenderIsOpSec [she/her, kit/kit's]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  24·
                  12 hours ago

                  Hasan is giving the chat baby’s first transgender theory, which can veer into too simplistic of a view on the matter, but that’s just cause he’s not doing advanced transgender studies to his audience of dumb baby libs who need basic stuff like “due process is important even if you’re a fucking white person” explained to them.

                  He is very pro-trans and the community has a very high percentage of trans people, unsurprisingly.

              • Wisp [fae/faer, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                7·
                14 hours ago

                That was all grubby. I never investigated the claim so it might be false but if a 4chan user is saying they had a based take on trans people I took it at face value. I will be honest though that if that is true I still have a shameful likeness for his content. He’s arguably the biggest reason wc3 is still alive as it is and it’s been my favorite game since forever

                Edit: also for all his faults Hasan definitely does not come off as apolitical lol

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      28·
      15 hours ago

      unclear, he went offline and then got banned less than 10 minutes later. likely to either be: 1) playing a game where one attempts to distinguish between zionist and nazi quotes (it’s fucking impossible) or 2) bypassing a paywall for the LA Times very visibly to see an article, or 3) a secret third thing.

      edit: of course it was the secret third thing

    • dead [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      23·
      15 hours ago

      I was watching his VOD from today. I probably only watched 20-30% of today’s VOD. He was watching fun semi-political videos today. He played a video of Hot Wheels collections and LEGOs. He said he got a new picture book called “Trust in God, Believe in Ammunition”, which has photos of militants from around the world, he picked the version with the Sudan cover. Then he was watching a video about making ghost guns and that’s when the channel went down for me.

      I don’t know the reason for the ban yet. I’ll try to look into it.