the idea of paying a scientist of any kind the same as a cashier at a gas station is ridiculous.
This isn’t even a straw man; it’s an allusion to an unstated straw man. No one is suggesting that everyone should be paid the same, and AFAIK no socialist state has ever done it.
I think that’s a poor counter to my argument, I do know what authoritarianism is. All states are authoritarian, all are instruments by which the ruling class oppresses the other classes. In the US and EU, those are the Bourgeoisie, specifically the Monopolist Imperialist bourgeoisie. In Russia, the ruling class are the Nationalist bourgeoisie, in the PRC the ruling class is the Proletariat, as it was in the USSR as well. Each ruling class uses the power of the state, the power of authority, to cement itself, and displays greater use of force the more that status is called into question.
The way to move beyond authoritarianism is to move beyond class society. The way to move beyond class society is through Socialism, by which all property can be sublimated into common ownership and direction, to fulfill use rather than need. This is the path to Communism. Countries like the PRC that are already Socialist exert their authority to enforce the interests of the Proletariat, and thus their use of authority is more progressive than the US and EU, who use their authority as Imperialists to keep the system by which the West plunders and brutalizes the world for profit to keep going.
Russia and Iran play the role of self-interested nationalists working against the Imperialists, just as the small business owners, ie petite bourgeoisie, can side with the Proletariat out of their own self-interest in revolution. They are certainly not world leaders of Socialism by any stretch of the imagination, but work with Socialist countries as they have no other option than surrender to Western Imperialism and be decimated like Russia was following the dissolution of the USSR before the Nationalists kicked out the West.
Your last point about equal pay for a scientist and a cashier is a non-sequitor, Marxists are not equalitarians.
Thanks, though just another point my previous comment was just deleted by admin cause communism likes to destroy all dissent when something doesn’t go their way.
More non-sequitors, I guess? You didn’t “dissent,” you just called me stupid. You didn’t even have productive criticism attached to your comment, it was a low-effort insult and thus broke the rules. Your other comments are still up.
Lemmy.world also defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, so there’s another layer of invisibility. No grad user is visible to .worlders, period, to my knowledge.
Communists and Socialists have faced struggles with color revolutions and counterrevolutions, and have met those struggles with force, yes. However, it’s worth engaging with what the counter revolutionaries wanted. Well, they succeeded in the 1990s with the dissolution of the USSR, and what happened next was a collapse in life expectancy and 7 million excess deaths. Dissent is allowed in Socialist countries, what isn’t allowed is the Bourgeoisie acting freely and inciting violence against the people.
Further, your comment was hardly “dissent,” it was you insulting me without engaging with the arguments. It’s toothless. It’s unfortunate that you don’t live up to your username, fascism and anticommunism are twins.
It’s unfortunate that you don’t live up to your username, fascism and anticommunism are twins.
Again you’re saying stupid shit, fascism and communism are not the only two political ideologies in existence democracy has been around for a long time and has been more successful than both communism and fascism.
I don’t think you know what authoritarianism is, also the idea of paying a scientist of any kind the same as a cashier at a gas station is ridiculous.
I think we do know what you think it is: “horseshoe theory”; Arendtian “totalitarianism.” https://lemmy.ml/comment/17774014
This isn’t even a straw man; it’s an allusion to an unstated straw man. No one is suggesting that everyone should be paid the same, and AFAIK no socialist state has ever done it.
I know what it is, authoritarian is when not ruled by westerners
I think that’s a poor counter to my argument, I do know what authoritarianism is. All states are authoritarian, all are instruments by which the ruling class oppresses the other classes. In the US and EU, those are the Bourgeoisie, specifically the Monopolist Imperialist bourgeoisie. In Russia, the ruling class are the Nationalist bourgeoisie, in the PRC the ruling class is the Proletariat, as it was in the USSR as well. Each ruling class uses the power of the state, the power of authority, to cement itself, and displays greater use of force the more that status is called into question.
The way to move beyond authoritarianism is to move beyond class society. The way to move beyond class society is through Socialism, by which all property can be sublimated into common ownership and direction, to fulfill use rather than need. This is the path to Communism. Countries like the PRC that are already Socialist exert their authority to enforce the interests of the Proletariat, and thus their use of authority is more progressive than the US and EU, who use their authority as Imperialists to keep the system by which the West plunders and brutalizes the world for profit to keep going.
Russia and Iran play the role of self-interested nationalists working against the Imperialists, just as the small business owners, ie petite bourgeoisie, can side with the Proletariat out of their own self-interest in revolution. They are certainly not world leaders of Socialism by any stretch of the imagination, but work with Socialist countries as they have no other option than surrender to Western Imperialism and be decimated like Russia was following the dissolution of the USSR before the Nationalists kicked out the West.
Your last point about equal pay for a scientist and a cashier is a non-sequitor, Marxists are not equalitarians.
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Incredible comeback, Marxism has been destroyed.
Thanks, though just another point my previous comment was just deleted by admin cause communism likes to destroy all dissent when something doesn’t go their way.
More non-sequitors, I guess? You didn’t “dissent,” you just called me stupid. You didn’t even have productive criticism attached to your comment, it was a low-effort insult and thus broke the rules. Your other comments are still up.
I thought about replying directly to that user, but they would be unable to see my replies given how I am banned from their instance.
Lemmy.world also defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, so there’s another layer of invisibility. No grad user is visible to .worlders, period, to my knowledge.
Are you gonna try to argue that communism doesn’t have a history of crushing dissent?
Communists and Socialists have faced struggles with color revolutions and counterrevolutions, and have met those struggles with force, yes. However, it’s worth engaging with what the counter revolutionaries wanted. Well, they succeeded in the 1990s with the dissolution of the USSR, and what happened next was a collapse in life expectancy and 7 million excess deaths. Dissent is allowed in Socialist countries, what isn’t allowed is the Bourgeoisie acting freely and inciting violence against the people.
Further, your comment was hardly “dissent,” it was you insulting me without engaging with the arguments. It’s toothless. It’s unfortunate that you don’t live up to your username, fascism and anticommunism are twins.
My “Fuck Fascism” T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the shirt.
Again you’re saying stupid shit, fascism and communism are not the only two political ideologies in existence democracy has been around for a long time and has been more successful than both communism and fascism.
They’ve met them with mass killings not just with “force” see Tiananmen square massacre for content.
They broke free from a regime that regularly stuck innocent people in gulags and denied freedom of speech.