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I heard that the electrolytic medium used in this battery is coarse and gets everywhere
Pornainen’s battery is charged using electricity from the grid
How so, do they use heater resistors or a heat pump?
Electricity may be cheap sometimes but still, heater resistors aren’t the most efficient.
It’s a pretty neat system:
- can be set up anywhere
- can supply high grade heat (process heat, not mere space heating heat)
However, heat stores are subject to scaling laws which don’t favour sand on the large scale, at least unless it’s underground (and then you have to keep groundwater out to avoid vaporizing it). Large thermal stores benefit from storing heat in water, and placing the water deep underground, so the boiling point rises. If local rock has low thermal conductivity, even better.
For comparison Helsinki (.fi) has a 10 GWh underground thermal store. Where I live, Tallinn (.ee) will soon get a 1 GWh surface thermal store. And Vantaa (.fi) will soon complete a whopping 90 GWh thermal store that’s located 100 m underground, so their water will boil at 140 C instead of the usual 100 C. Boiling points up to 300 C are attainable in practise, then the curve starts leveling out.
That’s so cool, thanks for the info!
100MWh from that one little silo, that’s incredible.
this shit is so cool. it’s like those potential-energy-battery ideas with the stacked blocks, but ACTUALLY efficient!!
efficient because heat is used for heat. (district heating system). getting electricity from heat is relatively inefficient. Stacked blocks are relatively efficient but concerns over wind resistance.
it’s hard to get any cheaper than the crushed soapstone now housed inside an insulated silo in the small town of Pornainen. The soapstone was basically trash — discarded from a Finnish fireplace maker.
Hell yeah. I’m glad that this works with that kind of sand, and is being done without the kind were running out of.
They report about 10/15% loss when doing heat -> heat. Cost per Kilowatt of storage about 25 euro, compared to 115 if lithium batteries were used.
Here’s the operator’s website https://polarnightenergy.com/
What a stupidly simple yet clever idea.