The 18-year-old high school student said she unzipped her hoodie to show she had breasts after a Buffalo Wild Wings server didn't believe she is a woman.
Maybe check your facts and stop spreading disinformation to cover for the abject failures of the DNC leadership and their chosen candidates. It’s not like we didn’t have two presidential elections prior to 2024 where the Dems lost or nearly lost to learn from yet they decided to lean into these failed strategies even harder in 2024 with very predictable results. It’s almost as if they wanted Trump to win.
I mean, “neatly lost” here is a disingenuous phrase for “won”. The 2020 election wasn’t even particularly close either, in terms of the Electoral College, which is unfortunately the only part that really.
I agree with you otherwise, so sorry for the pedantry. Dems should have definitely learned from the midterms, and they should have learned Biden was too old for a second term even before he announced he’d run again.
I’d say I hope they learn from 2024 but I doubt it.
What we’re seeing here is multiple layers of cowardice. Too cowardly to vote for what you actually believe in, and then too cowardly to go engage with actual Trump voters, so instead you hang around here trying to bully progressives into toeing the party line of a party that doesn’t represent them.
Incidentally,
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
I’ve started noticing a pattern with these “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” posts, where they almost always finish with a stock guilt-trip phrase like this, or “I hope you’re happy” or similar, and not just on Lemmy. And I don’t mean every now and then, I mean like, I see these posts formatted the same way regularly, often in threads that are barely relevant to it. Basically, I’m pretty sure that there’s a bot farm posting these messages on behalf of someone trying to maintain the two-party system.
I’m not sure it necessarily stands to reason that they’d be a conservative or Russian specifically, unless they ran the numbers and concluded that all this “I hope you’re happy with what you did, you Nazi” vitriol would turn people away from the Democratic Party far more than it would whip them into line.
See? They’re virtually identical the way they all end with the same collection of snide jabs, even when it’s (ostensibly) a different poster. They do it again later this thread. It’s so stark once you notice it, because you don’t see this pattern with any other political topic.
PSML. STILL following the same pattern three (actually four) times in a row, in a discussion about how all these two-party advocates keep ending all their posts with the exact same set of short one-liner jabs.
You couldn’t have given yourself away more if you’d written a poem about presidents visiting the beach.
Do you realize how small a percentage this actually is?
Only 33% of the pop lives in swing states, only about half of those are Democrats, only about 2% are defectors. You are bitching about 1/3 of 1% of the pop.
As it turned out, the people who withheld their vote for Kamala over the genocide didn’t actually matter in the election. Had every one of them voted for Kamala, I’m not aware of a single state that would’ve flipped. Not even Michigan
It pisses off both sides of the rift, but the genocide didn’t matter in terms of the election. Those not voting for Kamala over Gaza don’t get any credit/blame for Trump winning. ETA: I’d say they get to claim a moral victory for whatever that’s worth.
On the other hand, those who withheld their vote and are hoping the consequences of the election are going to teach the DNC or anyone a lesson are going to be sorely disappointed. No matter how passionate individuals are about the issue, the electorate gave it a collective shrug to absolutely no one’s surprise. Nothing is going to change about our Israel policy as a result of Trump’s victory.
Some day, our acceptance of the genocide is going to be seen as just as shameful as Clinton’s opposition to gay marriage and support of DA/DT. But not today. Fighting about it is just arguing with each other over scraps while the real enemy runs the kitchen.
I agree with you. Maybe that came across as anti-Clinton. In my defense, I’ve always detested the Clintons and have little interest in spending words making him look better.
I do appreciate you pointing that out. It’s a valuable lens to look back with. Still, from our perspective today, shameful, even if necessary.
I voted for Kamala. Do I get to criticize the republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals letting all this happen? Or is this the part where you tell me that any criticism of Democrats is evil and wrong and I need to commit to supporting Gavin Newsom three years in advance or I’m exactly as bad as MAGA?
what is it about losing that makes you so upset? if harris wanted to win she’d have stopped SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE.
I did not vote for anyone who supported genocide.
Why the fuck are you ok with it? there is no such thing as a thrown away vote, only recalcitrance from people who won’t admit they’re ok voting for someone who fucking supports genocide. Go fuck yourself.
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
I don’t blame those who didn’t vote for Kamala for her stance on Israel, I get it. I’m just tired of people who didn’t vote specifically against Trump then act really surprised that the Democrats are putting up an anemic defense of our rights, because in theory they should have expected it, given how they voted. Asking why Democrats aren’t stopping fascism when you ostensibly did not support them because you felt they would not do enough to stop fascism should be readily apparent.
I am not using “you” here as in you, piefood, just as a general you
I get what your saying, and to some extent I agree. But I also don’t think that they would be fighting fascism if they had more power. When they were the majority, they spent their time building up the systems that the fascists are using. They built up the surveillance state, immigration control, torture programs and the police/military powers. They should have spent their time dismantling it, but the Democratics have the mindset of “It’s OK when the Blue Team does these things. Surely the Red Team won’t use that against us!”
Fucking morons complain about the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on this country, yet cannot understand how outright support for Palestine, in 2023-2024 would have completely sank any presidential campaign.
Lol. You didn’t vote period. So you don’t deserve a say in anything going forward.
Once again, tankie. How’s Gaza looking? Because of people like you, I’d say pretty fucked. Especially since you are still using the Biden genocide excuse to not take responsibility for Trump’s ACTUAL genocide.
It seems to me that they do know how voting works in America: If you keep voting for pro-genocide candidates, you keep getting genocide. Maybe one of the two major parties should try running an anti-genocide candidate.
seems like you don’t. i vote for the candidate that fits who I wish to win. marketing and propaganda have you thinking a 3rd party is a thrown away vote. Want to fix that? vote for someone who doesn’t support genocide.
Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.
Even if you don’t think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it’s all brand new to you, you’d lose your mind. Baby steps.
It’s not an “electoral victory”; laws made by the major parties make this virtually impossible federally. However, their influence is still felt and makes changes.
For example, Greens have been fighting tooth and nail for environmental concerns since the 1980s; they pulled many votes, and viola! Now it’s part of the Democratic platform. Libertarians fought tooth and nail for marijuana reform since the 1970s, pulling votes… Ds want those votes! Viola, many Ds have incorporated this into their platform today. Socialists have been fighting for labor since at least 1910, and viola! This was incorporated into Democratic platform in 1930s.
Our major parties don’t give them an ounce of credit, but even a few thousand votes gets their attention.
One of the lessons of the crimes of the Nazis is that the road to Hell is paved with The Greater Good. The Nazis themselves believed that all their crimes were necessary for the betterment of society. They thought though their actions were regrettable, it was the only choice they really had. Killing millions was the lesser of two evils.
You have more in common with the Nazis than you would like to believe. There’s very little you cannot justify when you have no red lines and you’ll always support the lesser evil. The Nazis themselves thought they were supporting the lesser evil.
Right. We had 15 months of weaponizing and covering for Israel’s ethnic cleansing during Biden’s term, but its the guy who criticizes him and his replacement that’s the “Nazi supporter.” Your comments are indistinguishable from a MAGA sycophant and you can’t even see it.
Trump voters voted for Trump. You really need to get out of your bubble and talk to them, instead of regarding them as some sort of immutable force like the weather.
republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals let all this happen.
Pushover liberals? Nah, you meant to say pushover democrats.
Because we have allowed impotent pacifist dipshits control the narrative for the Left too long, is why we are here.
democrats arnt condoning this, its all conservatives.
Some Democratic politicians flirt with the idea because they think it will help their chances to become president, like Newsom: https://calmatters.org/politics/2025/03/newsom-transgender-athletes/
Still pretending like you leftists didn’t directly help lead the country to a shit hole by your Jill Stein votes or your non-votes?
Leftists? How’s Gaza looking? Your inaction is why they will be starved to death.
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Maybe check your facts and stop spreading disinformation to cover for the abject failures of the DNC leadership and their chosen candidates. It’s not like we didn’t have two presidential elections prior to 2024 where the Dems lost or nearly lost to learn from yet they decided to lean into these failed strategies even harder in 2024 with very predictable results. It’s almost as if they wanted Trump to win.
I mean, “neatly lost” here is a disingenuous phrase for “won”. The 2020 election wasn’t even particularly close either, in terms of the Electoral College, which is unfortunately the only part that really.
I agree with you otherwise, so sorry for the pedantry. Dems should have definitely learned from the midterms, and they should have learned Biden was too old for a second term even before he announced he’d run again.
I’d say I hope they learn from 2024 but I doubt it.
You know who’s to blame for Trump? Trump voters.
What we’re seeing here is multiple layers of cowardice. Too cowardly to vote for what you actually believe in, and then too cowardly to go engage with actual Trump voters, so instead you hang around here trying to bully progressives into toeing the party line of a party that doesn’t represent them.
Incidentally,
I’ve started noticing a pattern with these “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” posts, where they almost always finish with a stock guilt-trip phrase like this, or “I hope you’re happy” or similar, and not just on Lemmy. And I don’t mean every now and then, I mean like, I see these posts formatted the same way regularly, often in threads that are barely relevant to it. Basically, I’m pretty sure that there’s a bot farm posting these messages on behalf of someone trying to maintain the two-party system.
Exactly. At this point, anyone still bitching about anti-genocide voters in the 2024 election should be assumed to be a conservative or Russian bot.
I’m not sure it necessarily stands to reason that they’d be a conservative or Russian specifically, unless they ran the numbers and concluded that all this “I hope you’re happy with what you did, you Nazi” vitriol would turn people away from the Democratic Party far more than it would whip them into line.
No people are just pissed at third party frauds who helped bury the country. But go ahead with your fake purity
Maybe people should be mad at the politicans who gave up fighting for their voters, and handed the victory to Trump
Maybe more than one fact can exist. Thanks for trump though
See? They’re virtually identical the way they all end with the same collection of snide jabs, even when it’s (ostensibly) a different poster. They do it again later this thread. It’s so stark once you notice it, because you don’t see this pattern with any other political topic.
Yes I’m a bot for speaking the truth and your brainless society murder is original thought. And soooo morally pure
PSML. STILL following the same pattern three (actually four) times in a row, in a discussion about how all these two-party advocates keep ending all their posts with the exact same set of short one-liner jabs.
You couldn’t have given yourself away more if you’d written a poem about presidents visiting the beach.
Your Russian trolling ass has been tagged. I won’t ever again mistake you for a serious person
Damn, even when you control all elections with gerrymandering and anti-third-party laws, you still blame third parties.
Meanwhile, here in the USA elections and law say it’s all due to our major parties. I guess you just can’t face reality, that’s sad.
Do you realize how small a percentage this actually is?
Only 33% of the pop lives in swing states, only about half of those are Democrats, only about 2% are defectors. You are bitching about 1/3 of 1% of the pop.
I dunno a single leftist irl who didn’t vote for Kamala
I know quite a few.
You and I must hang out in different circles. Good luck gettin through to em 🫡
As it turned out, the people who withheld their vote for Kamala over the genocide didn’t actually matter in the election. Had every one of them voted for Kamala, I’m not aware of a single state that would’ve flipped. Not even Michigan
It pisses off both sides of the rift, but the genocide didn’t matter in terms of the election. Those not voting for Kamala over Gaza don’t get any credit/blame for Trump winning. ETA: I’d say they get to claim a moral victory for whatever that’s worth.
On the other hand, those who withheld their vote and are hoping the consequences of the election are going to teach the DNC or anyone a lesson are going to be sorely disappointed. No matter how passionate individuals are about the issue, the electorate gave it a collective shrug to absolutely no one’s surprise. Nothing is going to change about our Israel policy as a result of Trump’s victory.
Some day, our acceptance of the genocide is going to be seen as just as shameful as Clinton’s opposition to gay marriage and support of DA/DT. But not today. Fighting about it is just arguing with each other over scraps while the real enemy runs the kitchen.
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I agree with you. Maybe that came across as anti-Clinton. In my defense, I’ve always detested the Clintons and have little interest in spending words making him look better.
I do appreciate you pointing that out. It’s a valuable lens to look back with. Still, from our perspective today, shameful, even if necessary.
I voted for Kamala. Do I get to criticize the republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals letting all this happen? Or is this the part where you tell me that any criticism of Democrats is evil and wrong and I need to commit to supporting Gavin Newsom three years in advance or I’m exactly as bad as MAGA?
That wasn’t leftists, that was just narcissists enjoying the smell of their own feces.
you should really read up on who voted for rfk jr and jill stein it was all conservatives,.
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They down vote because they can’t defend their alliance with the right. Can’t tell them apart from the right most days. Always the same vibes.
Pretty much.
what is it about losing that makes you so upset? if harris wanted to win she’d have stopped SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE.
I did not vote for anyone who supported genocide.
Why the fuck are you ok with it? there is no such thing as a thrown away vote, only recalcitrance from people who won’t admit they’re ok voting for someone who fucking supports genocide. Go fuck yourself.
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
I don’t blame those who didn’t vote for Kamala for her stance on Israel, I get it. I’m just tired of people who didn’t vote specifically against Trump then act really surprised that the Democrats are putting up an anemic defense of our rights, because in theory they should have expected it, given how they voted. Asking why Democrats aren’t stopping fascism when you ostensibly did not support them because you felt they would not do enough to stop fascism should be readily apparent.
I am not using “you” here as in you, piefood, just as a general you
I get what your saying, and to some extent I agree. But I also don’t think that they would be fighting fascism if they had more power. When they were the majority, they spent their time building up the systems that the fascists are using. They built up the surveillance state, immigration control, torture programs and the police/military powers. They should have spent their time dismantling it, but the Democratics have the mindset of “It’s OK when the Blue Team does these things. Surely the Red Team won’t use that against us!”
it’s all decades of manufactured consent
Fucking morons complain about the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on this country, yet cannot understand how outright support for Palestine, in 2023-2024 would have completely sank any presidential campaign.
neat. where have we seen that rhetoric before? oh right. a century ago.
israel is doing a genocid. trump is a fascist.
i can’t vote for either.
no rep or dem candidate ran that fit my moral criteria on those hard lines.
if YOU are ok with genocide or fascism, you do you and go follow your leader.
Lol. You didn’t vote period. So you don’t deserve a say in anything going forward.
Once again, tankie. How’s Gaza looking? Because of people like you, I’d say pretty fucked. Especially since you are still using the Biden genocide excuse to not take responsibility for Trump’s ACTUAL genocide.
But whatever helps you cope.
I find it very telling that you blame the person who couldn’t stomach to vote for genocide, instead of blaming your polticians for being pro-genocide.
thank you. well said.
? I voted but not for harris and not for trump. I don’t vote for genocide. try again.
So then you don’t know how voting works in America? It’s easily learned.
It seems to me that they do know how voting works in America: If you keep voting for pro-genocide candidates, you keep getting genocide. Maybe one of the two major parties should try running an anti-genocide candidate.
Thanks for the tag request
seems like you don’t. i vote for the candidate that fits who I wish to win. marketing and propaganda have you thinking a 3rd party is a thrown away vote. Want to fix that? vote for someone who doesn’t support genocide.
It’s not marketing, it’s direct experience.
Fraud
Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.
Even if you don’t think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it’s all brand new to you, you’d lose your mind. Baby steps.
Curious as to when in the electoral history of the US you think this has happened.
It’s not an “electoral victory”; laws made by the major parties make this virtually impossible federally. However, their influence is still felt and makes changes.
For example, Greens have been fighting tooth and nail for environmental concerns since the 1980s; they pulled many votes, and viola! Now it’s part of the Democratic platform. Libertarians fought tooth and nail for marijuana reform since the 1970s, pulling votes… Ds want those votes! Viola, many Ds have incorporated this into their platform today. Socialists have been fighting for labor since at least 1910, and viola! This was incorporated into Democratic platform in 1930s.
Our major parties don’t give them an ounce of credit, but even a few thousand votes gets their attention.
Your account is brand new and that makes sense.
You looking into my account makes sense, you’re one of “those” people.
Nazi supporter.
One of the lessons of the crimes of the Nazis is that the road to Hell is paved with The Greater Good. The Nazis themselves believed that all their crimes were necessary for the betterment of society. They thought though their actions were regrettable, it was the only choice they really had. Killing millions was the lesser of two evils.
You have more in common with the Nazis than you would like to believe. There’s very little you cannot justify when you have no red lines and you’ll always support the lesser evil. The Nazis themselves thought they were supporting the lesser evil.
Right. We had 15 months of weaponizing and covering for Israel’s ethnic cleansing during Biden’s term, but its the guy who criticizes him and his replacement that’s the “Nazi supporter.” Your comments are indistinguishable from a MAGA sycophant and you can’t even see it.
who? folks who voted for trump or harris? yeah they are.
Lol everyone but you and a few thousand people are nazis
Edit: third party morons can downvote this all they want. Voting against a semblance of sanity is what they’re good at
If you didn’t support a genocide, you would have done something about it
and I am.
A fraud
You voted explicitly in favor of Trump you fraud
Trump voters voted for Trump. You really need to get out of your bubble and talk to them, instead of regarding them as some sort of immutable force like the weather.
You admitted to voting for trump. A vote for third party was a vote for trump. We’re done here you Russian fuckin troll
No, it’s really not a vote for Trump. Those votes aren’t his, or Harris’s
You can tell because they count the votes and everything. Oops, I mean, everybody else can tell. Just not you.
how? lol. try again.
Russian fraud. Bye