• Blapoo@lemmy.ml
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        “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.”

        Did a quick google for ya.

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      If they actually want to commit genocide, why are they telling the population to leave the dangerous areas, perform roof knocking, etc.?

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        They told like half of Gaza to clear out in 24 hours, that’s well over a million people, it’s literally impossible to accomplish that. It’s to get deniability when killing civilians.

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          So Israel wants to kill civilians in Gaza? How ludicrous! They must have been doing exactly that for all these years, every single day! I wonder what happened right now that their drive to kill civilians peaked so much! Palestinians are totally innocent and don’t want to kill civilians in Israel though, right? This never happened, or did I miss anything?

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            Of course they don’t. I think you’re mistaking Hamas for the general palestinian population

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              That’s only because hamas actively tries to be mistaken for general Palestinian population.

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                  Israel tries, as we can see. Hamas, on the other hand, doesn’t care about whether it is military or citizens.

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                    No… they don’t actually. Using white phosphorus on a heavily populated city doesn’t look like doing your best to pick out the good from the bad, it looks like killing everything that can die.

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            This is the exact mindset that led to the Internment of Japanese Americans, or the frequent racism against Muslims for years after 9-11(and still going on to this day). People from a place do no represent the place they’re from, and a group of terrorists do not represent millions of people.

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              Come up with a better plan to stop a terrorist group in Gaza then? Without letting them proceed with their violence.

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        Telling them to leave, but not actually letting them go…

        Telling them to go to bomb shelters that don’t actually exist…

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          Who is not letting them go to south Gaza? Certainly not Israel. Hamas does actually, because more victims are what they want, since it gives them more power.

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            Have you never seen a disaster movie? Have you never been stuck in traffic on a holiday weekend where lots of people are traveling? I can’t imagine how it’s possible that you think a million people are just going to pack up and move, all at once, in a 24 hour window, like that is in anyway a reasonable request. Especially after these people were cut off from from food, water, and fuel (you know, the stuff you need for traveling) almost a week ago. And have all those people go to an area where there isn’t space, and still no food, water, or electricity. Common guy really?

            Israel is not operating in good faith, that is abundantly clear. This warning is just for the record, so that after Israel commits genocide they can point to that warning and say it’s the civilians fault for not leaving like we told them too.

            Your probably right about Hamas motives. Fine. But what your ignoring is that the Israeli government views all Palestinians as subhuman, and they intend to exact revenge on all of the people. Hamas and Israel are both happy with Palestinian civilian casualties, but for different reasons. The only differences between them is one side basically admits it’s a terrorist organization, while the other side benefits from the political and military support of the west, as well as people like you who are eager to make excuses for outright genocide. Remember, where here in the comments on an article about Israel using white phosphorus in a populated area which is a fucking war crime.

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              I don’t know if they see them as sub human. What makes you think so? They know they are going to kill some, especially given how Hamas uses them as meat shields, and they are obviously accepting that. They still try to minimize the number with roof knocking etc.

              That they accept civilian casualties should be the topic of the discussion, not black and white nonsense like everywhere. If we look at history, the same happened in Germany in WW2. How to defeat such terrorists / evil states? Is it possible without killing innocent people? Holy fuck this is not something simple.

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        Well, you generally don’t declare to the world you’re doing genocide. You ask for forgiveness, not permission.

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          That was not what I was asking. They avoid killing them quite a bit, given the circumstances. Why would they do that if their goal was genocide?

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            Look up what plausible deniability is. The goal is genocide, but they can’t just do genocide without pissing off the world. So they basically imprison 2.2 million people in a space the size of Seattle, destroy entire buildings, shoot unarmed people in Palestinian territory, bulldoze Palestinian homes or outright take them and give them to Israeli settlers. This naturally pisses people off. Hamas fires rockets in response. Israel blows even more shit up in response. They perpetuate the cycle put into motion when the UK stole Palestinian land and gave it to Israel.

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              Let’s not get the sequence of events wrong. Israel faced existential threads from day one of declaring independence, where the surrounding states immediately attacked. There was and is no compromise for Palestine, they want to destroy Israel. That is their official goal, not some secret or conspiracy.

              Palestine is not a prison because they are super nice people and Israel is evil. The issue is terrorism. Israel needs to deal with it some way. You can argue that there are better ways, certainly. And that Israel is doing a crap job, like US prisons.

              What is Israel supposed to do now? What would your plan be? More than one out of every 10’000 of your fellow people just got murdered. That’s like 46’000 people if it were the USA. That is the scale.

              If we look at history, for example Nazis, do you think it was right to bomb Germany to the ground?

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            Well, you generally don’t declare to the world you’re doing genocide. You ask for forgiveness, not permission.

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        They told people to gather in the city center, and then they bombed the city center

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        Telling people to leave when there is nowhere to go, Egypt is refusing to open their border and I doubt Israel is going to open theirs, isn’t not wanting to commit genocide: it’s a way to save face, to say “well they didn’t evacuate so it’s their problem.”

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      How? Hamas attacked Israel. So Hamas is committing genocide on itself? Seems like a leopard eating you face move.

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          You’ll find that I’m critical of both sides in this conflict. I believe Israel and Hamas governments are in the wrong, have killed innocent people, and both should be dissolved and held accountable. This is the result of putting extremists in power.

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            And one of them enjoys unconditional support from the most powerful military in the world. It’s completely asymmetrical.

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              I wonder why nobody supports the Palestine people, not even the Arab countries around. Perhaps because of all the terrorist attacks?

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                Or racism. Probably racism. One of the biggest driving factors in checks papers ah, genocide.

                Israel creates terrorists out of Palestinians by the constant chokehold in the form of an apartheid state. Almost like if you abuse a group of people repeatedly over years, eventually, some of them get the whacky idea to hit back.

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                  They attacked Israel one day after it declared independence. With the, ever since, stated goal of destroying Israel. Not accepting any sort of agreement. Pure hate and destruction.

                  But Israel are the bad guys because of racism? They are the abusers, because they fight back and don’t want to get destroyed? They are certainly not saints by any means, but what a twisted view is that? That is the type of bullshit like Russia had to attack Ukraine because of NATO.

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                    Hey boss, when you have a group of people suddenly declare a holy site and that they’re a new country inside an existing country, that’s usually met with force of “No, fuck off”. Try it in the United States, I can guarantee you it will not last a week. They started the conflict on ‘religious grounds’ and have been pushing Palestinians out of their homes, by force, while also trying to make themselves synonymous with Jews as a whole so suckers like you think they’re the victims. Hell, the United States sent them the Iron Dome infrastructure and they used that protection to do more slaughtering of Palestinians and take more land.

                    Yes. Israel are the bad guys for using white fucking phosphorus as a weapon. They aren’t defending themselves. They’re literally stealing homes and land and when Palestinians try to take it back they’re killed. Look at the map of their border for the last couple decades. Absolutely fuck Israel. They not only started this conflict but put Palestinians into an open air prison from which they cannot escape. Look up what an apartheid state is because that’s the chokehold Israel has had over the Palestinians for years upon years. This is not new. Israel has always been the bad guys and will continue to be. This shouldn’t be controversial and it boggles my mind how so many people can be so poorly informed about this conflict and simply take the side of Israel because daddy Biden and the Western countries default to it.

                    Israel does not mean all jews. Israel does not get a free genocide pass because Jews faced their own genocide 80 years ago. They do not get to use chemical weapons because they themselves were gassed. They do not get to become the monsters they once fought against.

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            I think once you start using chemical weapons such as white phosphorus, a chemical agent so controversial Call of Duty had to remove it as a killstreak after backlash, you have lost the plot so hard that anyone willing to defend Israel after this are just transparently ignorant or monsters.

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                It is only legal to be used in smoke or illumination purposes.

                It is being used for neither by Israel.

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        Right now by bombing one of the worlds most densely populated areas with white phosphors.

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            Flare, bombs. Doesn’t matter how you think it’s being delivered, it’s still being chucked into Gaza in large amounts.

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              It’s a target market.

              4 weeks of Napoleonic artillery would level the strip. You need markers like wp and “smart” artillery munitions that can course correct mid flight to avoid flattening the damn city.

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              Yes, but your implying something that isn’t happening. It’s bad enough just sticking to actual events.