You’ve yet to prove that they bombed shopping centers and hospitals. I don’t know what kind o Ukrainians you have seen with Nazi tattoos. In fact Ukraine has one of the lowest quantity of Nazis in Europe (I saw in a statistic not focused on Ukraine or the war, don’t think I will be able to retrieve it though).

Im guessing you also dislike Kissinger? He is actually one of the people that suggested the Budapest Memorandom where Ukraine had to give away all its weapons to Russia in exchange for America, Britain, and Russia to protect Ukraine. I don’t know why you brought him up since he wasn’t much of a supporter of Ukraine (which you are suggesting). In any case if the countries kept their promise, Ukraine wouldn’t be committing the “war crimes”/ defending its sovereignty, but instead whatever country decides to fight against the dumb neighbor of Russia.

This conversation does not seem to be going anywhere, so bye (actually this time).

Ukraine targets strategic positions, this is objectively true (no actually).

If you knew anything about the conflict and what EU and really any country or independent sources are saying you would know you are a Russian Troll spreading obvious lies.

I simply thought you would trust those sources the most I purposely picked those so that you don’t say they are untrusted.

You really are going to use pathos to appeal to emotions when Russia has killed mountains compared to that pile.

Russia has killed much more in Donbas. Civilian deaths are often inevitable in war but Russia aims to maximize it.

I still admit Ukraine has killed civilians, but it seems you are deaf because I have been repeating that they only target strategic positions and do not target civilians. So Ukraine has killed civilians but they were never the target.

There is literally official evidence about how Russia does this. You gave me an unconfirmed and highly speculative article. There is no actual evidence that Ukraine does what you said.

Isreal literally broke the ceasefire and there is a lot evidence showing isreal has killed and targeted civilians. Take the whole Gaza strip, where all the buildings (residential included) are leveled to the ground.

Russia often uses this tactic where they kill their own people and blame it on someone else to enrage people against that country. For example: https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/the-mystery-of-russia-s-1999-apartment-bombings-lingers-the-cia-could-clear-it-up

It’s .org so that you don’t say its made up propaganda.

The guardian explains how the source is a Russian mayor and that the attack is unconfirmed. I highly doubt Ukraine actually did that. The same article also says Ukraine doesn’t want peace, even though they are the ones being invaded.

NOTE: You have not given any objectively true evidence to support your claim. You have made multiple personal attacks and in fact the one who stopped it from being civilized with your deleted comment, I guess you deleted it because even you felt shame for being so ignorant.

I am not protecting America, I don’t like America that much especially recently. I’m just saying you are repeating things that only the kremlin say.

You’re obviously just a troll, bye.

NATO is not “my army” since it is an international military and has nothing to do with nationalism or protecting what is mine which you are suggesting. They simply have the most laws protecting civilians. Again, they are not perfect but have the most protections of innocents. They are not the “*sole arbiters” of what is moral, for each country can have their own laws protecting civilians and defining war crimes.

Imagine thinking everyone in the civilized world isn’t already familiar with Russian propaganda.

You keep specifying you are “in the English speaking world”, why would you have to specify that all the time. You sure you’re not a Russian bot?

“Most likely has nothing to do with that woman” - Probably doesn’t have anything to do with alt women, just ragebait.

NATO basically dictates what is considered a war crime and dictates international laws and trains their military accordingly. It is the most ethical military there is. Of course it may not be perfect, but its the best we’ve got.

I guess you have your own definition of war crimes and international laws that is better than NATO which is a literal tankie that studies war and international laws.

Ukraine does not target civilians, if you ask anyone aside from the kremlin of course. (Are you getting your information from the kremlin?) 🧐

Yes I already addressed this, if you read my previous comments: ‘Of course just saying “the other guys are worse” is problematic, but I repeat Ukrainian soldiers did not try to hurt civilians.’

What I am saying is not simply that Russia killed more civilians so Ukraine is ok. I am saying that Ukrainian’s attacks are fundamentally different since they target strategic positions (which may or may not have civilians) rather than targeting civilian infrastructure. Ukrainian attacks are accepted by NATO and does not violate any international laws. In fact a lot of Ukrainian soldiers were trained by NATO countries and follow their rules and standards.

I am surprised you haven’t heard of it, for I constantly see people talking about it.

Well here is the FBI talking about the war crimes Russia has done: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/international-human-rights-unit/russian-war-crimes-in-ukraine

It doesn’t say much, but the title explicitly says Russian war crimes. Though the article does not explain what war crimes Russia has committed, I chose the FBI’s government website so that you don’t imply its an untrusted source. Of course there are many other sources that cover this, since you can just google it (or Firefox it since we are in the fediverse) and there will be thousands of evidence, but you are just to lazy to research yourself.

Unlike Russia, Ukraine mostly only targets military facilities. Of course there could be civilian casualties, like maybe in the oil refineries they bombed inside Russia, but they DON’T target civilians, but the strategic positions which may have civilians. Meanwhile Russia DOES target civilians in hospitals and schools.

I admit there are probably civilian casualties caused by Ukraine, but its an ant. Now lets address the elephant in the room: Russian caused civilian casualties and war crimes.

The article that ClathrateG sent describes a drone attack Ukraine did on an airbase which had MILITARY aircraft and shells. What they (edit: they = Ukrainians) did not know was that Russia also was hidding nuclear shells which exploded, which led to the attack doing more damage and unintentionally hurting civilians.

Most likely has nothing to do with that specific woman. Maybe just anti-hair color ragebait? Some are saying Ukrainian soldiers are war criminals for this, probably didn’t hear how Russians are INTENTIONALLY bombing hospitals. Of course just saying “the other guys are worse” is problematic, but I repeat Ukrainian soldiers did not try to hurt civilians.

Here is a video about it: https://youtu.be/OODJsg6AyQg

Honestly, I don’t who would be the better owner of Tik Tok at this point…