• Lasagna@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    I might be out of the loop. Can anyone explain the war criminal part to me?

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      The article that ClathrateG sent describes a drone attack Ukraine did on an airbase which had MILITARY aircraft and shells. What they (edit: they = Ukrainians) did not know was that Russia also was hidding nuclear shells which exploded, which led to the attack doing more damage and unintentionally hurting civilians.

      Most likely has nothing to do with that specific woman. Maybe just anti-hair color ragebait? Some are saying Ukrainian soldiers are war criminals for this, probably didn’t hear how Russians are INTENTIONALLY bombing hospitals. Of course just saying “the other guys are worse” is problematic, but I repeat Ukrainian soldiers did not try to hurt civilians.

      Here is a video about it: https://youtu.be/OODJsg6AyQg

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        Ukrainian soldiers did not try to hurt civilians.

        Perhaps not in that specific strike, but I hope you aren’t minimizing the civilian deaths caused by Ukraine over the last decade of conflict. If so, there are a lot of people in Luhansk and Donetsk who would disagree if they hadn’t been on the wrong end of Ukrainian artillery.

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          Unlike Russia, Ukraine mostly only targets military facilities. Of course there could be civilian casualties, like maybe in the oil refineries they bombed inside Russia, but they DON’T target civilians, but the strategic positions which may have civilians. Meanwhile Russia DOES target civilians in hospitals and schools.

          I admit there are probably civilian casualties caused by Ukraine, but its an ant. Now lets address the elephant in the room: Russian caused civilian casualties and war crimes.

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              I am surprised you haven’t heard of it, for I constantly see people talking about it.

              Well here is the FBI talking about the war crimes Russia has done: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/international-human-rights-unit/russian-war-crimes-in-ukraine

              It doesn’t say much, but the title explicitly says Russian war crimes. Though the article does not explain what war crimes Russia has committed, I chose the FBI’s government website so that you don’t imply its an untrusted source. Of course there are many other sources that cover this, since you can just google it (or Firefox it since we are in the fediverse) and there will be thousands of evidence, but you are just to lazy to research yourself.

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                  Yes I already addressed this, if you read my previous comments: ‘Of course just saying “the other guys are worse” is problematic, but I repeat Ukrainian soldiers did not try to hurt civilians.’

                  What I am saying is not simply that Russia killed more civilians so Ukraine is ok. I am saying that Ukrainian’s attacks are fundamentally different since they target strategic positions (which may or may not have civilians) rather than targeting civilian infrastructure. Ukrainian attacks are accepted by NATO and does not violate any international laws. In fact a lot of Ukrainian soldiers were trained by NATO countries and follow their rules and standards.

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                    Ukrainian soldiers were trained by NATO countries and follow their rules and standards.

                    Lol, imagine thinking NATO doesn’t commit war crimes lol

                    Ukraine systemically and deliberately shelled civilians for years. Your ignorance of the facts doesn’t erase them.

                    Imagine thinking you can tell a literal tankie something about a conflict they have been following for a fucking decade lol.

                    Edit. You don’t oppose warcrimes. You only oppose whatever you can call a warcrime committed by the other team. And again, an American (I assume) with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians on their hands has no room to moralize.

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      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8y655p52do

      Three men have been killed in the Moscow region, in what is described as the largest drone attack on the Russian capital since the start of the full-scale war in Ukraine.

      A further 18 people, including three children, were injured, health officials told Russian media.

      Officials said all three men who died had been working at a distribution centre when it was hit by drone debris in the village of Yam, near Domodedovo airport. Dozens of vehicles were destroyed when the drone hit a car park, and the glass front of a supermarket was badly damaged.

      Children and supermarkets aren’t legitimate military targets, for a single example, another https://en.topwar.ru/207174-gde-i-kogda-russkij-soldat-s-izvestnogo-video-otrazhal-ataki-ukrainskogo-drona-.html from geneva convention Article 41 - Safeguard of an enemy hors de combat

      spoiler

      A person who is recognized or who, in the circumstances, should be recognized to be hors de combat shall not be made the object of attack.

      1. A person is hors de combat if:

      (a) He is in the power of an adverse Party;

      (b) He clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or

      © He has been rendered unconscious or is otherwise incapacitated by wounds or sickness, and therefore is incapable of defending himself; provided that in any of these cases he abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.

      1. When persons entitled to protection as prisoners of war have fallen into the power of an adverse Party under unusual conditions of combat which prevent their evacuation as provided for in Part III, Section I, of the Third Convention, they shall be released and all feasible precautions shall be taken to ensure their safety.

      many other examples can be found

      the I think the title is perhaps a reference to this classic

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      3 days ago

      Explanation: this is an instance full of russian misinformation agents and a couple tankies. Stay away.