• Jeena@piefed.jeena.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    115
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    6 months ago

    I think those kiosks with the big touch screen and the mobile apps work pretty well already, I always rather use them and see a picture what I can order instead of talking to the person.

    • Eager Eagle@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      54
      ·
      6 months ago

      tbh I’d rather not see the picture when it comes to mcdonald’s, as it can only lead to a disappointment

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        22
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        To be fair, you’ll be disappointed either way. At least with the menu, they can feel like they’re selling decent food (their pictures do look decent) and you can make sure your order is correct.

        • Eager Eagle@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          6 months ago

          I don’t see how one can make sure their order is correct with a fake picture, but whatever floats your boat

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            Well, if you push the same fake picture you did last time, you should get a similar, disappointing result. If you get a different, disappointing result, you know your order is wrong.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      31
      ·
      6 months ago

      I’ve stopped waiting in drive thrus because it’s faster and more convenient to order it ahead of time and pick it up inside.

      • s_s@lemmy.one
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        22
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        I used the Mcdonalds app a few times and the drivethru was always faster, lmao.

        They require location services and don’t start cooking until you’re inside their geofence, but IME they seem to still prioritize drivethru customers.

        • IamAnonymous@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          6 months ago

          I have disabled location settings because it tracks the drive from my home. I enable it to use any deals and close the app after ordering and taking a photo of the order number. They start cooking after you let them know the code in the drive-thru. No need to open the app. They do prioritize drive-thru’s because their performance is tracked based off that. That’s why they sometimes ask you to pull ahead from the window. I never worked there, I just noticed the timing screen in the kitchen when I used to do DoorDash, which tracked when a car got in and out of the line. They used to act as though I was invisible and only served drive-thru.

        • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          I don’t eat at McDonald’s, so I haven’t had that experience. But I love being able to order Sheetz food for the next morning when I’m going on a trip, or schedule it for when I’m going to need a pit stop and just have it ready. Wendy’s is also pretty good about this, too.

    • foggy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      6 months ago

      I fucking hate them.

      They’re designed for people who are about 5’0". They take so much longer than speaking the order to a person, especially if you have any customizations to add/remove.

      0/10, avoid at all costs.

      • Jeena@piefed.jeena.net
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        6 months ago

        For me it’s the exact opposite, most of them have the possibility to change the language to English, even though it’s only partially translated I still can see the pictures of what I’m trying to order. If I need to look at the Korean menu and then speak Korean to the person to order, then I would just go away, especially if they don’t have pictures on the menu.

        For me it’s use 10/10 (even the crappy ones)

      • son_named_bort@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        6 months ago

        I like customizations on the touchscreen. I’ve had several experiences where I tell the cashier what I want including customizations only to get my order and realize that the order wasn’t entered in properly. The touchscreen ensures that the order is at least entered properly.

        • foggy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          Oh, did you want to remove the tomato?

          That’ll be an extra 3 minutes.

          What parent item are the salads under again?

          They blow.

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        6 months ago

        They’re designed for people of average (male) height, like everything else from default seatbelt position to doorways. Sounds like yet another tall person complaint to add to the pile.

        In any case, I find them comfortable (probably because I’m average height lmao) and I like to take my time ordering to combine the best deals possible without having a cashier staring waiting on me so they can go take care of all the other things that McDs overworks their employees with.

        IME (I’ve worked FF before) you “Fuck these machines” people generally trend towards annoying karen-type and take FOREVER ordering.

        • yeehaw@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Doorways? Lol. Think about the alternative, if they were designed for the average height for females. Most men would need to duck or crawl under doorways.

          • cm0002@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            6 months ago

            Ok yea doorways was probably a bad example since those actually get an additional allowance for furniture and crap

            And to clarify, I don’t actually agree with the method of using the male average for everything (Ever wonder why they set the Office thermostat to 72? That’s right male average of comfort lol), but it’s what the world around us is built around.

            • yeehaw@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              6 months ago

              You just sound like you’re on a witch-hunt and hate men lol.

    • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      edit-2
      6 months ago

      I use them but they are definitely made to be annoying.

      1. Start
      2. No I don’t use a mobile app
      3. Takeaway
      4. Burgers
      5. Big Mac menu
      6. Fries
      7. Cola
      8. Add to basket
      9. No I don’t want extra
      10. Pay
      11. No I don’t want extra
      12. Pay here
      13. Pay with credit card
      14. Finally pay
      15. Printer is not working
      16. Oh what was my number?
        • kent_eh@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          That may be fine for regular customers, but what about the rest of us who don’t have the menu memorized?

          • megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            The menu is 6 foot across, above the counter where you order, glowing, with pictures of each item and number next to it. Even someone who couldn’t read could order food using the normal system.

            I’ve literally ordered by signing a number with my fingers to indicate the item I wanted in a country where I don’t speak the language at a fast food franchise I’d never been to before.

            • kent_eh@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              6 months ago

              The menu is 6 foot across, above the counter where you order, glowing, with pictures of each item and number next to it

              And changing pages while you’re trying to parse the cacophony of choices and options.

              • megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                6 months ago

                Most menus are fixed paper with back lighting not changing displays, most of the places that have the new displays added them at the same time as the touch screen stations.

    • LordCrom@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      Fuck all, I hate those things. Just pay a teenager to take my order with a judgemental expression. I hate self checkouts, I hate self order kiosks, no I do not want to use a phone app to place my order, I just want a double cheeseburger with no pickles GODAMMIT

    • dhork@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      6 months ago

      I can’t use the mobile app because my kid wants a cheeseburger happy meal and it’s impossible to order on the app. Try it! It won’t let you at all.

      Technically, cheeseburger happy meals are no longer on the menu because they’ve decided it has too many calories. If you go there and ask for one, of course, they will add a slice of cheese to a hamburger happy meal. But using the app to order one is a bridge too far, I guess.

      When it comes down to it, though, we shouldn’t eat that crap anyway.

      • catloaf@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        6 months ago

        I checked, just for you. You can pick the hamburger happy meal and add cheese.

        • dhork@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          6 months ago

          Where are you located? I am in the US. I downloaded and logged into the App again (just in case something changed) and I see no option to add cheese to a hamburger happy meal. I can pick a hamburger meal and “customize”, and add everything else – even a second hamburger patty if I wanted – but no cheese.

          Maybe it’s just with my local McD?

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    75
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    6 months ago

    AI so bad it can’t get your burger order right.

    No wonder people are sinking hundreds of billions into it. As opposed to, say, education.

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          6 months ago

          They’ve redirected your call to an untrained AI that just keeps saying “Hello??? Hello??? Hello???”

          Because thats all it ever hears before people hang up on it. So thats sll the language they know.

    • Sabata@ani.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      6 months ago

      It’s McDonald’s, no amount of humans or technology will get your order right.

    • Squiddly@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      I stopped going to BK because they ALWAYS messed up my order. I finally had it and never went back. I bet the ai is more competent than my local BK. What makes this story more sad is I rarely get fast food, mainly as a treat, and fucking BK always messed it up.

      • mercator_rejection@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        6 months ago

        For similar reasons, I stopped ordering with any alterations at all. I used to customize order a little and they always messed it up. It’s pretty rare that I go at all, but I figure that way it’s the standard meal and they can just go in autopilot making it. Less disappointment when things go wrong

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      6 months ago

      Eh…AI messes my order. Some dumbass teenager messes up my order. Whats the difference?

      I wouldn’t call it the MAIN reason I no longer go get fast food…but maybe like the lower end of the top 10 reasons I gave up fast food years ago.

      At least the dumbass teenager isn’t putting glue on a pizza. Although in my area they will use the pepperoni placement to make a swastica on your pizza…or put their bare feet into the lettice of the burger king lettice bins. I mean sure, THOSE guys got fired, but how many other stories DON’T make the news???

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        6 months ago

        Eh…AI messes my order. Some dumbass teenager messes up my order. Whats the difference?

        I mean, I can think of a couple.

  • Pacmanlives@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    47
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    6 months ago

    Still order like grandpa. I go in and want to talk to a human and order. I hate those gross ass touchscreens. I am probably a minority especially in my age group and working in tech

    • kevincox@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      49
      ·
      6 months ago

      I am a touch screen enjoyer. At least in theory. I like having time to browse, look at pictures, easy access to customization options and most importantly no feeling of pressure. I am not spending a cashier’s time and potentially blocking someone behind me (at least there is usually less of a line for the self-ordering).

      However there are negatives for sure. My biggest annoyance is that these devices are often annoyingly slow and unresponsive. They just display a tiny bit of text and images, they should switch between screens at 60fps, not 2s per click. Also if I know what I want it is often faster to tell the cashier and let them enter the order (on their more expert-optimized and less laggy keypad).

      • CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        6 months ago

        Also, explicit confirmation of your customizations and of your order. You can double check yourself to make sure it’s all correct before submitting the order while the distracted and overworked employee at the counter could hit the wrong button or skip a customization and you often wouldn’t know until you receive the wrong item. Then you have to create more work for the workers to get your order remade.

      • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        6 months ago

        This is why I tend to just use the mobile apps for places to order. Not laggy and gives the benefits you mentioned of using a touch screen kiosk. A lot of them you don’t even need an account to use the app which is nice if that’s something that bothers you.

        • kevincox@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          6 months ago

          Yeah, I like this style but don’t want their apps installed on my phone. A few places have mobile sites which is excellent, I know what access it has and it is shut down completely when I close the tab.

          • kescusay@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            6 months ago

            But what if they want to notify you about great deals and coupons? DON’T YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT GREAT DEALS AND COUPONS?!?

            • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              6 months ago

              I just don’t give notification permissions to most apps unless I actually care about notifications from it.

            • kevincox@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              6 months ago

              Basically yes. But also they can do that via email or web push notifications. Not that I would allow either.

        • jmp242@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          6 months ago

          The apps are super slow though. Like I don’t need a 5 second animation of bouncing fries every time I do anything. Dunkin is another offender.

      • amelia@feddit.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        They just display a tiny bit of text and images, they should switch between screens at 60fps, not 2s per click.

        I think this is intentional. They want you to take time looking at the pictures so you might think “you know what, actually I’d like some of those fries as well” by making it hard to just quickly select what you want and leave.

        I wouldn’t even be surprised if there’s a psychological effect where you feel like ordering more makes this tedious ordering process more worthy. I mean why go through 2 minutes of clicking and waiting just for one stupid cheeseburger.

      • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        6 months ago

        I find this a bit odd as you make it seem as if ordering is a complicated process that takes some thought and planning. The whole draw of McDonalds is that you get the exact same food wherever you may be and their options are fairly limited. Ham/cheeseburger, chicken burger, fish sandwich, or nuggets is pretty much your array of options.

        I personally dislike the ordering screens as they make the process way to drawn out. Let me just pick a #1, the size, and the drink and be done with it in 3 taps. Last time I used one, it wanted me to basically build my own meal as if I was ordering Dominoes online and building my own pizza.

        • spongebue@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          6 months ago

          their options are fairly limited. Ham/cheeseburger, chicken burger, fish sandwich, or nuggets is pretty much your array of options

          You must not have been to a McDonald’s in a while. Do you want that chicken sandwich grilled or crispy? Spicy? Are we talking the basic value sammich you can wolf down before you leave the parking lot, or the bigger one that comes in a cardboard box? The one with bacon and ranch, or one of the others? Did you want a combo meal? Lettuce is stupid filler on a sandwich, do you want to skip that?

        • kevincox@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          edit-2
          6 months ago

          As I said if you know what you want the cashier is usually faster and easier. However I don’t eat at any single fast food place very often. So even if I know sort of what I want I don’t remember exactly what toppings, flavours and sizes are available. If I was ordering I would probably just pick whatever common order I would expect can work, but I appreciate that I can see a list of options and do a bit of browsing.

    • StitchIsABitch@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      6 months ago

      Always wondered why anyone would rather talk to a person than take their time, have a nice overview of the menu, and pay in advance. I guess they are gross though.

      • CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        6 months ago

        The only time I would rather not talk to a person is if the accent causes a language barrier. Otherwise 9 times out of 10 a person is going to understand what you want better especially if it’s a customization issue

        • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          6 months ago

          At least in my experience I have more customization issues when taking to people rather than using an app or going through a kiosk. The only time it’s the other way around is when they don’t include an option I want on the digital version but that’s becoming less and less common for me at least. The number of times I’ve had orders just missing customization things I asked for but they didn’t hear or forgot to enter is much higher when I go through the drive through or go in person then when I do it through something digital.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Where I live there’s loads of heavily accented people so language is a massive barrier. Some of the employees don’t even speak English.

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          6 months ago

          The only time I would rather not talk to a person is if the accent causes a language barrier.

          “Gobble gobble goo?”

          “Uhhhh…I’m sorry?”

          “Gobble…gobble…goo?”

          “…what?”

          “GOBBLE GOBBLE GOO!!!”

          “I have no idea what you mean by that…”

          Guy behind you in line: “c’mon man!!! Pay attention! He’s saying CAN I HELP YOU?”

          “Really? Those phonetic sounds were supposed to be in any way similar to the thing you said? It’s not even close…”

          “English is probably his second language. How well do you speak THEIR language?”

          “Which language do you speak?”

          “Yjxrjk#@■♡○{rjbzwk!”

          “I’m done.”

      • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        6 months ago

        Because I’m at a fast food place in the first place because my time is important and I don’t want to waste it ordering.

        That and the guy taking orders does it 1000x a day and i can easily order that way instead of me navigating ten different menus just to order a simple meal for my family.

        I’m OK with my old man status at this point. Tech is good when it improves things for the consumer. The kiosks seem to just improve the company bottom line IMO.

  • kromem@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    39
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 months ago

    A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting the headline given the content of the article:

    It told Restaurant Business it was testing whether the voice ordering chatbot could speed up service and that the test left it confident “that a voice-ordering solution for drive-thru will be part of our restaurants’ future.”

    This is just saying that they are ending their 2021 partnership with IBM for AI drive thru.

    Not that they are abandoning AI for drive thru.

    • megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      6 months ago

      I suspect that even if they were abandoning future plans for AI drive through ordering, they wouldn’t say they were. Saying you’re not doing anything with AI might actually hurt a companies share price right now.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      I’ve heard a few instances in which “AI” is just a bunch people responding to a voice to text feed in the Philippines.

      So much of this isn’t really technology. It’s just a new kind of service sector outsourcing.

      • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        6 months ago

        Amazons Mechanical turk in a nutshell

        I think McDs always planned to roll out remote customer service to really maximize capitalism. And wrapping it under AI because that’s a trendy buzzword!

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    37
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    6 months ago

    Translation: the AI was worse at it than even Drunk Steve after a 3-day bender.

  • ramsgrl909@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 months ago

    Maybe it’s just me, maybe I’m getting old. But I want to order through a person. Not a touchscreen and not AI.

    I feel like society is slowly removing humans from our everyday interactions and I don’t like it.

      • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        I like touchscreens because I can spend more time getting my order right without wasting the cashier’s time.

        I don’t want to talk to a cashier and have them explain the difference between a bacon sandwich supreme, and a bacon burger deluxe.

        I don’t want to confuse them by asking for extra veggies and watch them put it on the side.

        I don’t want to argue that I asked for two packs of ketchup and they gave me BBQ.

        • ramsgrl909@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          I want to add onions to my mcchicken and can’t do that with the touchscreen :( literally not an option

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        6 months ago

        It’s fine when what you want is on the menu. But as soon as you have a question or need something a little bit off menu (hold the tomatoes, does that have nuts in it? I’m allergic, this food came out cold can I get another?) the glorified vending machine doesn’t work.

        • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          The good machines (uncertain about McDonald’s) let’s you customize everything. Want three pickles? So it. Half mayo? Sure. No top bun? Live your life!b And it gives you ingredient listings.

          And whose to say the minwage cashier even knows what’s in the food? Not at all a insult, but in my area, many cashiers have English as their third/fourth language.

    • Oachkatzlschwoaf@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      6 months ago

      I love ordering through touch screens. No mis hearing and everything goes much quicker.

      The added value of that human interaction for me personally is 0.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        6 months ago

        The kinds of places that get touchscreen kiosks often have teenagers taking your order who are not paid or trained enough to give any shits about any of it. The touchscreen saves both of you from doing the worst part of the whole process.

        • ramsgrl909@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Adding onions to a mcchicken is impossible through a touchscreen. Can easily be done if I talked to a person

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            6 months ago

            I mean if I really need onions on a mcchicken I can still order at the front but then I have to deal with trying to get my specialty order across, which is even more hassle. Mainly I want no salt on my fries and no sauce on my burger.

            Trust me, you don’t need that shit. Melted cheese is good sauce and the residual salt in the fries tray is plenty, and you’ll get fresh fries every time.

    • BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      6 months ago

      I wouldn’t mind letting a “robot” do that kind of work. In a perfect world that would mean less work. In the real world it means they van fire some people and make even more money. But then again, i would never eat at McDonald’s anyway, so it’s hard to boycott

    • Zink@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      Agreed. It’s a manifestation of society’s collective acceptance that money > humans and all businesses should be expected to operate that way full speed ahead.

      And unfortunately, it’s not just the businesses’ fault. Do we really think fast food consumers would reward the drive thru that adds a dollar to every burger so that your order is taken and cooked by real people?

    • phx@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      I’m kinda ok with a combination, like hey during the day run with mostly humans but at night supplement lack of staff when automation (so long as it’s safe)

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 months ago

    I wonder if they could actually get worse than the drive-thru order stations I’ve experienced. I work in audio, so I know what is technically possible. To talk to and trying to convey an order through a system that sounds worse than my grandmas’ rotary dial telephone during a thunderstorm is a real pain for me.

  • xantoxis@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    6 months ago

    Two stories like this–as in, “oops AI sucks actually”, in about as many weeks. (The other one was about Amazon shutting down their Just Walk Out mechanical turk nonsense.)

    I think we’re starting to see the tide turn against Altman’s big con.

    I liked this quote BTW:

    the test left it confident “that a voice-ordering solution for drive-thru will be part of our restaurants’ future.”

    lmao you… already have one of those? So the subtext of this message is “we can’t just say AI was a terrible idea but yeah, we’re going back to the shit that worked before”

    • dev_null@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      At least the “just walk out” was a genuine attempt at the tech, created long before the AI craze. Still failed, but they weren’t following a fad.

        • dev_null@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          I wonder if the concept could still be useful. It fails if the goal is removing human workers, but the tech basically enables “cashiers” to work from home, and that’s a win for the cashiers who’d like that.

          But no one is going to invest in a win for the cashiers, and if they did, then like we saw, it would be outsourcing the work to third world nations, rather than local people having the ability to work from home…

  • mightyfoolish@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    edit-2
    6 months ago

    Why not just have a touchscreen menu then? You already need large screens so people can confirm the AI recorded their order correctly and this will skip the need of a person manning the drive through menu. You could even include options to “hold the pickle”, etc.

      • mightyfoolish@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        This would also be nice. Usually, I only order fast food if I can place a call first (Indian, Chinese, Mexican, Pizza, etc). Grubhub fees are ridiculous or and apps are always taking your data.

      • drawerair@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        6 months ago

        Yes, 👍 apps.

        The issue with touchscreen kiosks is that some have short arms.

        On another note, I get the benefits of computer-voice-operated drive-thrus. No need to use your phone. If your phone’s 🔋 is 3%, you can still buy food.

  • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    6 months ago

    Why would they in the first place? What’s wrong with a touchscreen menu to take an order?

    Then, of course, I’m not sure such places fundamentally even need human personnel other than maintenance techs. Standard ingredients, prepackaged I think, standard hardware to cook, standard everything. It can just be a huge burger-selling machine with no human in sight.

    • LordCrom@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      6 months ago

      I personally HATE those places where you walk inside and you need to use the stupid touchscreen. I’ve asked someone to take my order, they say no. So I get in the car and go to the drive through where you still get a person taking your order.

        • figjam@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Not the OP but for me it takes like 4 times longer to use the tuch screen. Find the button for what i want. Do you want to super-sized? Do you want fries with that? How are you paying today? Blah blah blah whereas with the counter its me saying one sentence and them pushing 2 buttons.

          • Nindelofocho@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            6 months ago

            Its because those touch screens have clunky UI and are slow if they made it simple and straightforward instead of a question for every page it would be as fast if not faster than a person ordering at a register. Most PoS systems are touch screen nowadays so literally all your doing instead of putting in the options in yourself is telling someone else what to put in. They also do it hundreds of times an hour so they are way faster that someone whos only used a kiosk a few times

          • suction@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            Maybe stand a foot further apart from the screen? That way you’ll be able to see the button better.

            What you hate about it are the constant upsell shenanigans, not the touchscreen per se. I dislike those, too, but I reckon the human staff are also trying to sell more than you want?

        • suction@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          6 months ago

          He’s looking to chat up some young ladies before he has to go back home to the old ball’n’chain…

    • suction@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      6 months ago

      Touchscreen? That’s old, we can’t use that in our marketing, even BK has those. We need something new, fuckin do I care if it works???

        • suction@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Those would stop working because local scoundrels would stick their chewing gums in them

          • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            6 months ago

            With hercons without place to stick anything. Like a blister. You’ve seen such buttons.

            • suction@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              6 months ago

              Those could work if it wasn’t for the local perverts blocking them 24/7 because twiddling them feels a bit like twiddling a robot’s nipples

              • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                6 months ago

                Never seen that. One can make them less like nipples and more like a depressable square area on a wall.

                • suction@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  6 months ago

                  If it wasn’t for those Medellin kids who stole all the square shapes from the wall button factory, I tells ya

    • tankplanker@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      Lots of their drive thrus use a person to take the order, and at a busy drive thru this becomes a dedicated person or persons just to take orders. If they can flip it to AI then they could open more lanes and reduce staff. Problem is that a skilled person is going to be better than AI over a shitty audio system, look at how Alexa and Siri struggle even when they have an optimized reception setup than the crappy setup you have at a drive thru with the person sitting inside their car, with music on and so on.

      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        6 months ago

        Maybe voice interfaces are simply a fundamentally flawed idea. If one can extend a hand to take the package with the food, they can also push a few buttons. If those buttons are with hercons or such, they’ll even last longer than consumer-grade touchscreens.

        Of course it’s easier when a human takes the order. But then if the cost of N screens with physical buttons is equal to that, one can make their order, say, N/2 times slower without any hurry and, well, the throughput should be higher still.

        For drive thrus - that’d be M lanes with such terminals and a bit slower than M lanes with people. So - depends on how the cost of asphalt and space and people and terminals work economically.

        What’s definitely idiotic is to think one can replace a human with an “AI” without losing in efficiency. But then again, maybe it’s worth it.

        • tankplanker@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          While I like the ideas with screens, and fixed buttons even more so, they haven’t gone with them despite the tech being available for a considerable time. I do wonder if its mostly down to how people use them rather than a limitation of the tech itself. Watch how many people nearly swipe or even do scrape exit parking machines, even simple parking meters stop working, people struggle to use the ones inside, then add in weather damage/proofing and vandalism and I would guess thats a big part of it. As its often a closed queue system any problem becomes a major issue almost instantly.

  • AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 months ago

    I feel like the Ai hype bubble is about to pop. It’s semi decent at some things but that’s about it.

    • Manalith@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      Whenever I need a new profile picture for my TTRPG character, absolutely. Anything else? No thanks.

  • hark@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    6 months ago

    Supposedly AI is going to take all the jobs and yet it still can’t do this task which it seems perfect for. Sure, eventually AI will get good enough to do it in the future, but there is just way too much hype given the reality of the current situation. This is a job that fast food workers are already required to do in addition to other duties, so it’s not like it’s labor saving from the company’s perspective either.

    • ours@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      6 months ago

      There is no certainty that LLMs can overcome the current limitations they are stumbling on.

      I think developments in AI will come but there is no guarantee they will. They seem to be suffering from the Pareto Principle just like self-driving car ML models and this despite huge investments.

      • jas0n@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        6 months ago

        100% this. The base algorithms used in LLMs have been around for at least 15 years. What we have now is only slightly different than it was then. The latest advancement was training a model on stupid amounts of scraped data off the Internet. And it took all that data to make something that gave you half decent results. There isn’t much juice left to squeeze here, but so many people are assuming exponential growth and “just wait until the AI trains other AI.”

        It’s really like 10% new tech and 90% hype/marketing. The worst is that it’s got so many people fooled you hear many of these dumb takes from respectable journalists interviewing “tech” journalists. It’s just perpetuating the hype. Now your boss/manager is buying in =]

        • ours@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          Breakthroughs are so interesting and the reason predicting the future of tech is so hard. Text embedding and “Internet scale” training are likely the things that allowed this AI boom and the amazing initial results.

          I think many people see AI (and other tech) moving linearly from the current point forward but any software developer knows this is rarely the case. And no one can predict the next breakthrough.

          It doesn’t help the hype and confusion around ML/LLM/AGI. And because on the surface LLMs seem intelligent people misunderstand their capabilities (much like politicians). They certainly have fantastic uses just as they are now but a lot of people are overly optimistic (or pessimistic depending on your point of view) of our new “AI overlords”.

          Personally, LLMs are absolutely amazing at supporting me in my professional writing. I don’t let it do my work but it helps me play around to find a better way to express some things like if I had a sparing writing partner.