Summary
President Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter Biden, prompting strong backlash from Republicans.
GOP lawmakers criticized the move as an abuse of power and an attempt to avoid accountability, with figures like Rep. James Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley calling it hypocritical and corrupt.
Biden defended the pardon, citing “selective prosecution” and claiming Hunter was unfairly targeted due to their family connection.
Hunter faced convictions for federal gun and tax charges.
Who cares? Fuck them.
Who fucking cares. trump did far worse and kushner walked away with a couple billion and not one person in the government or media batted an eyelash. We’re in a post factual society.
Exactly. Honestly all the self-flagellation, finger wagging and purity tests over this are exactly why the Democrats have lost and the Republicans took power over the entire government.
Trump gave his son-in-law’s daddy a pardon for crimes that included trying to blackmail a witness against him in a criminal case by hiring a prostitute and recording their sex.
Trump pardoned the murderers responsible for a massacre in Iraq.
Trump pardoned Manafort and Stone and others who committed crimes to get Trump into office.
The majority of Trump’s pardons were people who are personally or politically connected to him. I guarantee we’ll see far worse in Trump’s next term no matter what Biden does.
So yeah Biden can and should pardon whoever the fuck he wants, especially to those people Trump has threatened retaliation.
Well said friend.
So two wrongs make a right I guess? Why shouldn’t we be holding all these people accountable?
In this specific case, because the hunter biden thing was political bullshit from the start. secondly though, the wrongs in question are nowhere near close to each other. third, hunters “crimes” were the typical presidential failson exploits I frankly don’t care that he excuses, perk of the job as far as I’m concerned. Getting your loser kid off the hook for drug and gun charges you know, not a coverup of the murder of a journalist for the bargain price of 2 billion dollars.
Exiting President handing away high profile pardons just before leaving office? I kind of remember when it happened before, and much worse: https://www.vox.com/22238571/trump-pardons-bannon-broidy-corruption
These two posts on my front page right beside each other.
Get fucked Republicans. You have no moral high ground here.
Isnr it just as much “get fucked Dems, you have no moral high ground anymore”?
No. If Harris won and he pardoned him then it would be.
So “Buh buh Biden pardon” wont be the justification for any pardon going forward?
Go look at who Trump pardoned in his first term. He’s gonna do it anyway, saying it’s because of Biden is a weak ass excuse. Don’t be fooled.
I’m not remotely close to fooled. I’m simply pointing out that this will be the “justification” for pardons going forward.
Oh it absolutely will be, but they would have found other justifications to pardon people anyways. This gives them a convenient talking point, but they could have drawn one out of the ether anyways.
You make it sound like Republicans haven’t pardoned in the past and only now that Joe has they can justify it. That’s 100% BS.
I think you need to read more than the first five words of my comment, because that’s the exact opposite of what I said.
Yes, they are very capable of rationalizing a pardon. I’m saying “Buh Buh Biden Pardon Huuunter” is gonna be the “justification” when insanity happens.
Trump has already pardoned family multiple times… And just nominated one of those ones to be the ambassador to France 🤦♂️
People need to stop giving a shit about republican outrage. They’re outraged at everything and dint care for one second about hypocrisy
Die mad about it, Republicans!
I don’t care if they’re mad when it happens, that’s just a nice bonus
Well, y’all mfuckers put a convicted felon, a rapist, a fraudster and a con artist as your president, so shut the fuck up.
You forgot the worst one, which is “fascist wanna-be dictator.”
“Wanna-be” is no longer needed.
He is a fascist dictator.
To them : god king emperor
Theres still state governments in the way, he’d need to kill off state governments in order to actually be a dictator.
That’s what dictators do.
And the worst part, these are all the same person!
Biden had all the justification he needed when Trump indicated he’d target his political opponents if he won.
Anyone complaining about this can fuck off.
Yup. I’d do the same.
He should pardon himself for everything before he leaves office so Maga can’t drum up some stupid made up thing to tie up his last years.
Or resign so Kamala can in the last day if he can’t.
Use trumps political retribution statement as the reason.
Or resign so Kamala can in the last day if he can’t.
I want to see that just so all that 45+47 stuff refers to Kamala
He should pardon himself for everything before he leaves office
He doesn’t need to. Presidents have immunity for “official acts”. Womp womp.
I’d say he should and then when the courts rule he can’t, Trump’s self pardon won’t work either but that’s a pipe dream.
But bidens crime was being born, and there’s no statute of limitations on that one!
Gotta be honest. That’s just a really silly thing to say.
Let em fume…anger is the only thing Magatards understand
Republicans rage daily about something or another. Even after winning the election they still need something to hate.
Indeed, if they ran out of things to hate they would have to invent new ones. It’s the only way they can operate. The hatred is the only constant.
Everyone needs to play the same game they do.
Is it hypocritical, yeah probably, does he have any reason to answer for it? Naw
Trump just put Kusher in a role … a person he pardoned for … “preparing false tax returns, witness retaliation, and making false statements to the FEC” per his own statement.
Right.
People voted this kind of behavior into office, repeatedly. Anyone clutching pearls right now can fuck off.
I sure as hell wouldn’t want my son at the mercy of Trumps DOJ.
Right?
Americans don’t get to complain about corruption anymore. We gleefully voted for corruption after it was shown to us in pretty much the most blatant way possible and given to us as a choice going forward.
It’s who we are now and we voted for it. Complaints will not be forwarded to management.
If you think that Trump’s DOJ is gonna respect pardons from a Democrat…
They’ll absolutely respect them as long as Trump Daddy is still selling them.
Republicans are faux angry. They clearly don’t really care about the deed at all. If anything they’re gleeful because they get to run around and call Biden a nepotistic liar.
Some Democrats are angry because Biden just handed the Republican a stinky turd that they’re going to throw in our face every time someone brings up any of their lies or nepotism.
Many Democrats don’t seem to care either, as long as Trump is worse.
a stinky turd that they’re going to throw in our face every time someone brings up any of their lies or nepotism.
They already had the stinky turd and were going to throw it anyway. They have many stinky turds. Much throwing!
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I’m not pleased at the prospect of Republicans doing the same thing in four years, after the corruption of Trump’s second term, and then pointing their fingers at this… but, to anyone with half a brain and at least one eye… Hunter wasn’t in politics, wasn’t directly appointed to his staff or a representative in any fashion within the White House, and the gun and tax crimes are small fries compared to anything the Trump family and stooges are or have been up to.
Prospect? Trump handed out pardons like candy to far worse people who happened to aligned with his politics. After 8 years of seeing Trump rat-fuck norms and laws and precedent and unjustly go after his family and get away with everything, while everyone else tries to play by the rules, Biden is probably asking himself why he has to let his son risk prison when he knows everyone in the incoming administration wouldn’t even give a second thought to pardoning.
I don’t support it, but I get it. This is the kind of shit America voted for, right?
Haven’t seen this linked yet so I’ll leave it here: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-present - (25 pardons, 26 pardons including Hunter) https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021 - (144 pardons)
(Got distracted counting Trumps pardons, may be off by a few)
Yeah the choice for President was between cop and felon. The majority polled against equal application of the rule of law. Biden is just respecting the voters’ wishes.
Roger Stone, Steve Banon, Dinesh D’Souza all sorts of other crony based pardons were already done in Trumps last term.
Your Pearl Clutching the inevitable (as of it will now be Bidens fault) is ridiculous, and out of line.
Ooof, you went from my comment being just slightly irritated that he did it when he could have not done it and better served the Democratic Party by keeping his hands out of and showing that the Dems can do and be better, just a small gripe but that I understand anyway… to blasting me for ‘pearl clutching’? Ok, I guess.
The Democrats can be better sure. But no one cares unfortunately. They re elected someone far worse.
Worse, Republicans were already hypocritically obsessed with Hunter. With them preparing to fascisticaly weaponize the DOJ. He would have been one of the first and worst targeted by them. I don’t blame or hold pardoning him against Joe Biden. It won’t stop the fascists ultimately. But it will make him less of an easy target.
Democrats spent the last 4 years worrying about optics. And they have nothing to show for it.
Democrats spent the last 4 years worrying about optics. And they have nothing to show for it.
And even if “optics” was super important, this is going to have zero optical effect. Some frankly bizarre pearl clutching now, but no elections are coming and only total fucking morons think this is somehow going to ease Trump doing worse things. No one is going to give a single shit in two or four years when Trump is pardoning Jared Kushner for personally helping Mohammed bin Salman torture and murder some dissidents.
I’m fuckin glad he did it.
I want to see more. We put all our hope into this party and they have yet to even throw a punch. Make a mistake so big it forces the political climate to shift, please already.
Nobody cares if the “Dems should and could be better than the GOP”… We literally are demanding our Dem reps fight against this for us, and thus far, they refused. And still do. This is Biden just looking after Biden, which, frankly, is par for the course in US politics.
Prospect? Where have you been? Did you miss when Trump pardoned Jared Kushner’s father?
Prosecutors alleged that after Charles Kushner [Jared Kushner’s father] discovered his brother-in-law was cooperating with federal authorities in an investigation, he hatched a scheme for revenge and intimidation.
Kushner hired a prostitute to lure his brother-in-law, then arranged to have the encounter in a New Jersey motel room recorded with a hidden camera and the recording sent to his own sister, the man’s wife, prosecutors said.
In fact, this man who “pleaded guilty to 18 counts including tax evasion and witness tampering” has now been nominated to be Ambassador to France by Trump. There is no “prospect of Republicans doing the same thing in four years.” They’ve been doing it for the last 40+ years already. You just haven’t been paying attention.
It’s about time the Democrats got of their damn high horse and got down in the mud and started fighting like they mean it.
Don Jr did cocaine in public at the recent Space X launch and not a peep out of the mainstream media, much less police.
If a policeman saw a black man outside a night club do what Don Jr did, he would have been arrested on the spot and immediately thrown in jail.
There’s no disagreement from me, before you made this comment or after.
Did you forget Trump pardoning several war criminals and others in his cabinet who directly worked with foreign adverse governments?
No, but America did and America will forget again. The only thing that matters is the freshest thing their opponent did, the one that gets the most media, and my small gripe about this, which should barely be an issue to begin with, is that the Republicans will blow it out of proportions and use it to excuse themselves for corruption and treason.
It’s a gripe. I understand why he did it. I understand the last guy did worse. But, I still reserve the right to complain a little.
that the Republicans will blow it out of proportions and use it to excuse themselves for corruption and treason.
They will do this regardless of what their opponent does.
The Reich Wingers never needed an excuse for corruption so far. What makes you think they need one now?
Sure, they’ll be corrupt. I even said that they’d do it anyway, but now this is another thing they can point to this when they do it. Whatever, right?
I still don’t like that he did this, especially after years and months of him saying he wouldn’t. And he didn’t do a good enough job of showing us why it was important that he change his might right now and go against the justice system he said to trust in before. Is there new evidence that he could share that gives us reason to believe it wasn’t impartial, more than what news has been reporting for ages now? Everyone knows it was the ‘(Hunter) Biden witch hunt!’ for years, and yet he stood up and said that he wouldn’t interfere, that he was better than Trump and Klan. That Democrats stand by the rule of law, etc, and etc. Now what do all those words he said mean?
Again, I understand why I might be a little worried. And I understand why someone might want to use what power is rightfully given to them and that cannot be undone to protect their recovering son from living in the prison system while under the regime of your family enemy, sure. But, I reserve the right to be peeved about him doing it. Especially after years of him and the entire party talking about Law and Order.
And everyone getting upset about Trump’s threats to pardon the J6ers. When he does, what’s everyone going to say?
- “Well, it’s within his power. Oh, well. Guess that’s the end of J6, it was a nothingburger anyway.”,
- “Look at the obvious corruption, pardoning these guys because they were his stooges in his attempted coup!”,
- or “it was a politically motivated witch hunt, anyway, the democrats weaponized the DOJ to go after these peaceful protestors!”
🤷♂️
The fact you’d compare Hunter’s case that was wholly nonviolent, to an attempted violent coup makes me wonder if you’re just sealioning here…
No. It is not wrong to feel negatively toward a Hunter Biden pardon. And to criticize people for feeling that way, and refusing to listen to them when they give you plenty of reasons why they could feel bad about it, is ridiculous. That’s all I’m saying. I mentioned in other comments that Hunter’s case here, or two trials, amount to nothing compared to other criminals in the Trump family and Klan. But, I’m getting grief for my feelings, which is personal to me and I’ve provided multiple reasons why I could or would feel this way, because other people feel differently than me bout it. Ok! That’s fine. Go feel differently and rave about high horse shit. Idc! I just want the commenters who are browbeating me about personally feeling a little peeved bout the guy changing his stance, and about how I rightfully pointed out, multiple times and in many different ways, that the other ‘team’ will point to this pardon (no matter how unbalanced a comparison) when they pardon the J6ers!
There’s no trolling here! I just didn’t like that he did it. And I’m saying that the guys who play in bad faith, anyway, will point to this when they do it. Not that that matters, sure, and especially since the majority of the commenters are saying as much. But, the Klan will anyway.
Edit: good grief, people just get hung up and dig in… over and over. I just want to not feel happy that he did it and I want for people to be allowed to feel that way. And I want those that are alright with it happening to remember that we shouldn’t like Nepotism hiring or pardons, and we got onto the other team for doing it before! And we’ll do it again, probably in the next few months!
Sigh.
The Reich Wingers already did this exact thing, in Trump’s last term.
whataboutism
And those “small fries” were illegally buying a firearm and skirting $1,400,000 in federal taxes.
And I thought we were the guys who wanted stronger gun control and the rich to pay their taxes?? Does that go out the window when it’s one of “ours”?
I’m not saying I agree with the decision, but as Biden, would you really want your son somewhere Trump could immediately fuck with him as soon as he wanted? Had Kamala won this would absolutely be a dumbass decision. With Trump incoming… I get it.
Who cares about what happens to Hunter “10% for The Big Guy” Biden? Maybe I’m just some poor peon who doesn’t understand how the ultra-wealthy are, but “lying during a gun purchase and not paying $1,400,000 in federal taxes” seem like pretty avoidable crimes to me.
This is such an awful thing for Biden to do. The “both sides” folk are going to have a time with this for the next four years and they’ll be absolutely right in this case.
“10% for the big guy”
With that one phrase you’ve gone FULL mask off lmao. You are the epitome of “both sides r the same”.
Yep that’s a mask off to reveal the trumptard face moment. Trump supporters are garbage and we will remember who is one for quite some time.
Personally I’m boycotting any business with visible Trump support, and I make it a point to tell their staff that I won’t be back and the reason why. Last time I had to do this I told them their Trump shit was fucking disgusting and I would never be back.
I’m of the, apparently wildly fascistic, opinion that vice presidents’ sons shouldn’t sell off their father’s influence to foreign nationals.
But Trump placing his son in law, sons, and daughter into White House positions and using their fathers influence to obtain backroom deals with the Chinese government (ivanka) and securing a $3 billion loan from the Saudi royal family (Jared Kushner) is different right? 🤡
The problem with you and other ghouls like you is that your game doesn’t work when talking to people who have paid attention to events in the last 8 years. Not everyone is as willing to suspend facts as you are.
Absolutely right?
Dems did it once, Republicans live in this shit.
See: “whataboutism”
Based on how those crimes have been enforced, yes. The federal gun charge that says a drug addict cannot own a gun is rarely enforced historically and is being challenged in the courts by Republicans because the DOJ started using it against white supremacists. Yet Hunter Biden wasn’t even allowed a plea deal because of the politics around him. As for the taxes, when he was caught, he paid them and the fines associated with them. For literally anyone else caught doing the same, that is the end of it. No jail time or further penalties.
Joe Biden tried to let the courts do their job and trusted that the courts would be fair. They weren’t. This was clearly a political prosecution and I would have done the same in (Joe) Biden’s shoes.
The federal gun charge that says a drug addict cannot own a gun is rarely enforced historically
And yet it’s still a felony. I thought we were the ones who support strong gun regulation?
wasn’t even allowed a plea deal
No one is entitled to a plea deal. For the severity of Hunter’s crimes, I’m fine with it.
As for the taxes, when he was caught, he paid them
Keyphrase: “When he was caught.” He was just fine stealing the $1.4m from Americans otherwise.
Joe Biden tried to let the courts do their job and trusted that the courts would be fair. They weren’t.
That’s not how it works and you know this is going to literally be Trump’s argument on Day One when he starts pardoning his supporters, right?
“the severity of hunters crimes”
I fucking loled
I thought we were the ones who support strong gun regulation?
Who is “we”? I want all of the working class to be armed.
“Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered, and any attempt to do so should be frustrated, by force, if necessary” - Karl Marx
“The rifle on the wall of the workingman’s cottage is proof liberty exists. Our job is to ensure it remains.” - George Orwell
(I may have butchered the quotes a bit, but the meaning is intact)
Compared to the shit Flynn, Manafort, Stone, etc were doing? Yeah, small fry.
“Illegally buying a firearm”… My brother in christ, I literally know 10 people who did the exact same thing, because cannabis is legal in my state, and they lied on the 4473 to pass the background check.
The only people allowed to be outraged on this are Democrats. The Republican party lost their right to be angry about this kinda stupid stuff shortly after they elected a rapist.
… and someone who did the exact same thing.
I’d argue he pardoned way worse people.
I think Biden should use his pardon power for good. I don’t have a huge problem with this, but I want him to do something unexpected. Biden should pardon all the married immigrants after his program was recently shot down in court. For those that don’t know, Many immigrants are married to US citizens, but cannot achieve citizenship that you normally would be able to do. It hinges on entering the country Illegally, which requires them to leave for up to 10 years before re applying for citizenship. Biden could pardon the “crime” of illegal entry, this removing the INS statue of not allowing them citizenship.
See the problem with that is. While the president can try to pardon unlawful entry, unlawful entry is a civil offense, meaning, you aren’t even entitled to a court appointed lawyer. So the supreme court might try to weigh in on pardons for civil offenses.
But even if the pardon is all legit and pass the supreme court, it doesn’t matter, in immigration law, all arrests, all convictions, any juvenile proceeding within the past 5 years, are all visible to USCIS and they are legally allowed to consider them when determining whether or not to allow someone to enter the US, whether or not to deport them, or whether or not to allow adjustment of legal status. Yes ALL records, even pardoned, even if sealed or expunged by court, they see everything. You can visit the USCIS website and see for yourself.
Edit: And oh, even if you are never arrested, but the FBI investigated you a few times, USCIS might have access to those and if the FBI agents wrote bad things on your file, you might have problems with immigration or naturalization. Yea its quite fucked up, but it is what it is.
Definitely a bad look but in all honesty it’s justified.
The right was definitely unfairly targeting Hunter. They were using him as a scapegoat since they couldn’t get to Joe.
I’m pretty sure this was part of their plan. It’s now legit cover for Trump to pardon whoever they want.
Plus yeah, they want to talk smack. It’s not like they have any worthwhile policy ideas.
He already did that during his first term. This has nothing to do with Trump. It also doesn’t fucking matter. If people are mad about Hunter Biden owning a gun and doing cocaine, then why aren’t they mad about Don Jr doing literally exactly the same thing?
It doesn’t have anything to do with Trump. But that’s not to say he won’t take advantage of it.
They’re not mad at Don Jr because they don’t want to be. That’s all.
I mean there’s something to be said for handing them some ammo.
Dominate a news cycle with some bullshit and do something shady under the table.
Jon Stewart outlined it pretty well.
The Dems put this artificial moral framework around themselves that limits how well they can compete with the Right, because it’s important
But as soon as they need something for themselves or their family they just break it.
They never break it for the people who need it most.
