• vzq@lemm.eeEnglish
    34·
    3 days ago

    Also losing elections. We’re good at that.

      • a_little_red_rat [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        3 days ago

        There are a few ML parties in Europe that have technically participated in elections (though more as an instrument of agitprop rather that to actually win), I bet they are referencing those and not just being a lib

      • vzq@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        3 days ago

        I’m sorry but this talk really drives me up the wall.

        Left populism has a lot to offer. I’m from a Western European country where the actual communist party, hammer and sickle and all, managed to get 30% of the vote in living memory. Capitalism hasn’t gotten any better since then, but no one on our side is putting up anything that even looks like a fight. In fact, it’s like we pride ourselves on losing, or worse, not even trying.

        Fight, you fucking embarrassments. Fight!

          • vzq@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            There you go with your external locus of responsibility! Heaven forbid you fight for something.

            • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              6·
              2 days ago

              No, I’m just pointing out why the left in the west is impotent. Shutting your eyes to the reality of the world only makes you more vulnerable to it. There’s still plenty of people fighting, but the reason there’s no mass movement is not because of lazynessz but because of focused efforts by the bourgeoisie to kneecap and incapacitate the left. Up until the 90’s this was also done partially by giving concessions so agitation was less effective. This effort has been so effective that concessions are no longer considered necessary, which is why it now feels like the left isn’t even fighting - Because it has no base and the proletariat is in large part docile and content.
              And yet there’s still people out there fighting. Having been a red for some time I can say that there are more now than in the 00’s. The early 00’s were bleak

              • vzq@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                2 days ago

                The gladio scandals were in the early nineties.

                The fact that we haven’t been able to mobilize more than a handful of people since then despite the increasing pressures of late stage capitalism is squarely on us.

                But sure, keep sitting on your ass waiting for daddy Lenin to ride in on a T-34 to save your ass instead of doing something about it.

                Edit: I see your edit. That merits a more substantial response, which I’m not able to give right now. But the meat is that the concessions stopped happening because they were never afraid of us. They were afraid of the Soviet Union. We need to make sure they are afraid of the combined power of the international working class. That takes work.

                Which is a long way of saying, I agree more than I disagree.