• Majorllama@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    It’s a French sub though so it probably only fires gag missiles that just have a white flag on a stick at the tip.

    Jokes aside can you smoke on a sub? Cause I know a lot of the French still habitually smoke cigarettes and I imagine that would do a number on the oxygen system. Let alone the dangers of possibly setting fires in a pressurized container deep underwater.

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    JT was just in France as one of his last acts as PM. Mere days later this bad boy shows up in a Halifax harbour. 🤔🤔🤔 Merci a la belle France 🇫🇷🤝🇨🇦

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    This isn’t a show of force, it’s a demonstration for Canada who is planning to buy a number of these submarines from France.

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      5 hours ago

      Regardless, it’s presence makes a statement that Canada is not alone.

      Though I’d be cool if it was stationed at Miquelon for a few months.

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      They don’t need attack subs. They need boomer subs. At this point, Canada needs a nuclear deterrent. And I say that as an American who would be in the cross hairs of said nuclear deterrent. Canada should contract with the French for protection under their umbrella until they can build some of their own. The lesson of Ukraine should be that nukes protect small nations from fascist larger ones. Canada could easily end up like Ukraine. It’s not like fascists can’t find a casus belli. Putin was “restoring Russian glory” or some such. Trump would be “finishing the American Revolution” or some other bullshit.

      Please, Canada, from a friend of yours to the south, do not take this threat lightly. No one is going to be able to save you if the US decides to invade. The same oceans that protect you will prevent your rescue. The only hope Canada will ever have of being able to militarily protect its borders from the US is a credible nuclear deterrent.

      Just please, don’t harden your hearts while you build these weapons of destruction. Don’t close your doors to refugees from the US. As someone who is on the regime’s enemies list, hopping across the Canadian border and begging for asylum is the last chance I might have if things really go bad.

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      I mean, they’re not mutually exclusive. Nobody was about to start openly threatening the Americans, but having French forces around and mulling over defence deals with France sends a signal.

      We don’t know what Macron and Trudeau talked about, but accelerating things like this in light of the new reality could well have been part of it.

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          Morrison knew what he was doing, the sub deal was to poison the chalice before Labor gained the majority.

          Unfortunately for the walking sack of salmonella and shitty curry, his wrangler (Murdoch) managed to sway the election enough to get the LNP back in power.

          I have actually met Morrison in person once (friends of friends of friends) and he is a fucking moron but JFC he’s at least a brain cell or two ahead of Dutton

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            I dunno … Dutton seems smarter, but more evil. Morrison just seems like a brainwashed idiot who’s failed upwards. I don’t know how anyone looks at the screaming void of evil that is Dutton and thinks “yeah that thing has my best interests at heart … or a heart”

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              They’re just two different flavours of evil, Morrison is a happy clapper pentecostalist “God favours the rich” evil and Dutton is an ex-corrupt cop who wants authoritarianism under his rule evil.

              They both don’t have the critical thinking to realise the damage they do or why men like them shouldn’t hold positions of power, but Dutton following right out of Trumps playbook despite international backlash is a pretty good case for dumb-as-fuck syndrome.

              But I agree, it’s absurd that we have these stooges running for parliament I don’t know how we got here…

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            I’m still not entirely sure how Australia seemingly wound up with a modified Westminster system that was worse than the original, genuinely pretty impressive.

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                at least we have proportional representation

                Only in the Senate. And only on a per-state basis, so it’s only as proportional as “a proportion of 6” can be…which is much less proportional than a proportion of 40, like if the Senate were done nationally.

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      Yes, this old news is about a nuclear-powered attack submarine, not necessarily a submarine that can nuclear-attack.

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        IIRC only 2 out of the 9 french subs in service exclusively carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles (Rubis class). I’m sure the 3 Suffren class with no second strike capabilities could still deliver some sort of short ranged tac nuke. So there are high chances that this is a submarine that can nuclear-attack.

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      Lamp Oil, Rope, Nuclear Subs? You want it? It’s yours, my friend. As looong as you have enough Euros.

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    France manages to get a sub to us before the UK even deigns to comment. That says it all. Merci beacoup!

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      Hijacking the top comment to let people know this isn’t in response to any American threats, this is Naval Group, a French naval defense company, showing off their submarine because Canada is looking to spend 60 billion on twelve submarines. The plans for this purchase were publicly announced on July 10, 2024.

      Here’s a French news article about the submarine, seeing as I couldn’t seem to find any sources in English.

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        I had real good tingle feels imagining France showing up on our coast during this part of history.
        A real “we got you bro” moment in my imagination.

        Le sad.

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        Naval Group, a French naval defense company

        Ah shit, that’s the same company Australia had a deal with to buy diesel subs, before our fuckwit former PM reneged on the deal to create AUKUS and buy American nuclear subs.

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          I’m pretty sure that’s a Suffren class, and there’s both diesel and nuclear powered versions. Dunno how I’d tell from the outside, and don’t think the caption is necessarily all that trustworthy.

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            Ah, that makes sense. It’s like when the car dealer shows you the version of the car you want with slightly different features since the one you want isn’t on the lot yet.

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          I think it’s because many nations with subs have nuclear-powered vs diesel-powered. Diesel doesn’t have the vast capabilities to stay underwater for months like nuclear does.

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          I don’t know if that’s a mistake. It might not be a nuclear sub, just a sub which has nuclear weapons capabilities ( though obviously not this particular sub because it’s still in the hands of a defence contractor ( I hope ) ).

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    Could have imagined this happening as little as 3 years ago.

    An ally sending a nuclear deterrent into our waters as a message/warning to the US. This normally happens to countries like Iran or North Korea

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    The scale of these things is always fascinating. They’re always much larger than I think they are.

    For reference, I think that’s a Suffren class, making it just shy of 100m, or a tad longer than a football field for my fellow Americans.

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    Don’t tease me!

    NOBODY backs an American Revolution like the French!

    🇫🇷🦅🎆

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    Important note: The “Nuclear” in “Nuclear attack submarine” means that it is powered by a nuclear reactor. It does not refer to its armament. An “attack” submarine means it is designed to attack ships and other submarines and these are typically not capable of carrying and launching ICBMs. Nuclear-armed deterrent submarines are called Ballistic Missile Submarines.