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Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
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Everyone who isn’t a fascist or gaslit by wealthy nepo babies agrees
who the fuck still thinks it wasn’t …
All Republicans. My idiot sister. She’s like “I watched it” as if that’s proof it wasn’t? If the white superiority groups are applauding your actions, you’re in the wrong. That quieted her down but it didn’t change her mind. She thinks we’re all over reacting.
I will say, it’s not all republicans. And I mean this in a “there’s still the slightest sliver of hope” kind of way, bc my church is hella republican leaning, with lots of old people, and they’re all fucking pissed at Trump and Elon. Like they’re calling him King Trump (mockingly) and a lot of them have complained about Elon doing the hitler salute. And yes, they’re the idiots that voted for him and are now complaining that he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do but this is our best time to try to push them back towards “normal” republicans rather than the openly fascist ones
This is what the republicams wanted, don’t let them scream uncle
Breaking: Elon Musk’s daughter has eyes and a working brain.
True, but shed also particularly able to speak on his mens rea. She’s spoken openly about how even when she was young he was bigoted and cruel. So while many of us may have witnessed a man get radicalized by the right wing as he lost his damn mind which might lead some to think it was him being edgy or something, she’s able to say that no, he in his private life as a man who was merely rich was a massive shit stain.
a comment on reddit, said vivian had less gender affirming care than elon musk.
I don’t know what that means exactly, but I’m intrigued.
It refers to the cosmetic enhancements he has had done to make him feel more comfortable in his own body. The most obvious being his hair plugs.
It definitely was. He’s apartheid nepo baby. Autistic or not, he’s racist and a terrible asshole. Also a nazi.
If he’s autistic, that can be dangerous when mixed with narcissism. There’s research showing a link between it and mass shootings (practical example here). Possibly due to some autistic people thinking in polarised extremes, having poor social skills and lacking effective empathy.
That’s an exceptionally dangerous claim to make; it’s going to cause people to further alienate people that are on the autism spectrum. When you look at the report that the US Secret Service released on mass shootings (I’d have to find it; I’ve got a copy saved somewhere), autism spectrum disorder is not listed as a factor, while things like divorced parents is.
Perhaps you missed the part that said, “[Forensic psychiatrist Dr Iain Kooyman] found Prosper had an ‘extreme lack’ of empathy and remorse - something that could not be explained by ASD alone.”
And, BTW, people on the autism spectrum lack effective empathy, not empathy. That means that a person on the spectrum has a reduced ability to understand what a person is experiencing or feeling, not that they don’t feel empathy when they do know.
I think it’s dangerous because of the presentation, and singling out ASD.
There’s lots of otherwise harmless things can become danger multipliers.
Being sleepy is harmless. Driving a car is very slightly dangerous. Being sleepy while driving a car is incredibly dangerous.
Being on the spectrum isn’t dangerous at all. Radicalized people can be slightly dangerous. Sociopaths can be fairly dangerous. Gun ownership can be slightly dangerous. Radicalized sociopaths with guns on the spectrum are worth worrying about.
But the solution isn’t singling out the ASD, but other factors that can be more effectively controlled.
Youre right, I should have said effective empathy or similar, I’ll edit my comment. As a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate you pulling me up on it. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
And I agree, autism doesn’t explain mass violence or cruelty.
At least provide some scientific data to back up any claim like this. Posting this is an extremely harmful claim to make regardless, but to do so with a “practical example” is not only incredibly offensive it has the potential to be profoundly harmful. Please consider providing real data for your claims or editing your post entirely.
No problem at all, and as a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate your concern. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
Elon Musk literally helped re-legalize segregation in Federal Contracts, if he had the power he’d ban MLK’s “I Have A Dream” speech and gate off Harlem from the rest of New York.
Western media and political discourse: “Best I can do is 1930s Germany-adjacent arm gesture”
TV: Do you ever feel scared? He’s the richest man in the world.
VW: He’s a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him? Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don’t give a fk. Why should I be scared of this man? Because he’s rich? Oh, no, I’m trembling. Ooh, shivering in my boots here. I don’t give a fk how much money anyone has. I don’t. I really don’t. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations.
Absolutely based. The pathetic man-child was probably fuming when reading those lines. :)
This is the sort of person who would taunt her ex father by saying “shoot coward you’re only going to kill a woman” and I’m here for it
While slowly dancing to the tune of The WMV Took My Baby Away
(WMV: woke mind virus)
When even Neo Nazis are agreeing that it’s a Nazi salute, and side by side footage shows Elon doing the salute with even more force than Hitler himself did, pretending that it isn’t is not a good look and is gaslighting. I’ve seen someone claim that it couldn’t have been a Nazi salute because “half of America” and the ADL said it wasn’t, which just makes this quote more relevant:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
The ADL saying it wasn’t makes me believe it was even harder, I mean literally they’re the same organization that said cartoon frogs, drinking milk, and McDonalds Mascots were all racist dogwhistles and that telling Israel not to kill Arabic Children is basically denying the Holocaust.
I think it’s time to stop caring about anything this organization says.
Yeah, we know.
Everyone that isn’t braindead or a pathetic shill knows.
My favorite explanation for this is that he’s autistic. It never fucking ends with these people, lol
Yep, its fucking outrageous and insulting. He’s not an autistic person that needs 24 supported living, he can function to a high level in day to day society. He’s been in the public eye long enough to be well aware of how his actions can be perceived. He fucking knows exactly what he was doing, and chose to do it.
Tourette syndrome makes people do involuntary Nazi salutes. Not Autism.
It’s mindblowing how anyone still genuinely thinks what he did was anything but.
“iT wAs A rOmAn sALuTe” oh you mean the “salute” that appears in exactly one painting from the 1700s, long after the Roman empire had fallen?
There are videos of people being asked to recreate it, and while most refuse to do it (because of the implication), some add their own flourish to make it look like something else. That should tell you everything you need to know.
If that’s a Roman Salute, then what happened to Richard Spencer was a “Roman Face Massage”
What happened to him?
And was the direct inspiration for the Nazi salute.
Indirect inspiration. Hitler got it from Mussolini, who got it from Gabriele d’Annunzio, who got it from a Broadway production of Ben-Hur, which got it from the US Pledge of Allegiance, which got it from the painting.
Interesting. Do you have a source on that? I’d like to research this more.
The painting? I believe it.
Looks like people reaching out for swords rather than a salute to me. The Nazis played some mental gymnastics to get to where they are.
That was my thought when I first saw it. If it was a real salute, don’t you think the soldiers would be more uniform in their portrayed appearances?
Can’t really really refute painterly proof.
Having been on several bar trivia teams, I can say that at least 80% of Americans know virtually nothing about history. I could imagine someone with only a vague familiarity with a Nazi salute just assuming there’s no way a fortune 500 CEO would actually do one, not recognizing how spot on of a Hitler impression that was.
My coworker is convinced it was just ‘my heart to you!’ and to him is why he no longer trusts the news. It’s crazy to watch educated people get sucked into the alt right misinformation hole.
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The one that always gets people to accept reality for me is
“If it’s just “My heart goes out to you!”, then do it in public and see what happens, do it at work and see if you still have a job.”
Show them this and ask again. It’s probably not going to change their answer, but there will be a moment of confusion that passes behind their eyes as they try to reconcile reality with their beliefs.
Your coworker is a nazi who hasn’t come out yet.
Does he ever tell people his heart goes out to them in the same way?
Not that I know of…
Are they an engineer?
They aren’t, no.
Just watched it again. I didnt remember it being that obvious…
It’s not ambiguous.
Its noted in the wikipedia page for the ADL that since 2014 it’s chair has been a silicon valley tech CEO
Referring to this? The Anti-Defamation League is a joke.
If he didn’t mean it it would be very simple to at the very least post a tweet afterwards saying he’s sorry for the misunderstanding and that he didn’t mean it to look thay way. Like any innocent person would do in that situation.
The fact he didn’t shows all you need to know.
ADL Logic: Drinking milk is racist, the Hitler salute is not.
Lmao, apologist pieces of shit. Musk deserves no benefit of the doubt, he’s a fucking Nazi. Nazis deserve nothing.
He’s been quacking like a duck for years, and now that he waddles like one the bootlickers are all “ooh, just an awkward swan!”
Yup.
It’s obvious deflection. Don’t engage. They have to convince themselves and by giving them the time of day they win.
It’s disgusting that people have to have this discussion at all.
Who am I gonna believe? The right-wing choads who are gaslighting us about this, or my lying eyes?
Well thats one member of the Musk family I can understand and who seems like a decent human being.
Hope she manages to get away from that cringe fucker as soon as possible.
Wow it’s literally 1984! Can I get your autograph?
Are you proud to see your predictions on where humanity will go come to reality?
Its fashinating how humans build societies they dont want to live in. Who else does that… :)
The article literally said she doesn’t associate with him or his family. Seems like she’s away from him…
But damn… I can’t imagine what it would be like to be trans and have your dad as the most prominent and powerful Nazi in the world, spearheading a sham federal org called DOGE that is basically eliminating all reference to people like you and firing people like you in the most powerful country in the world.
So many layers to that experience, I imagine.
If he’s abusive, she was maybe a target for it. Gender queer kids often get targeted by the perp cos they’re different.
It really sounds like the plot of a kids movie.
I mean, ya know, aside from the Nazis. But just having an extremely powerful, single parent, and being a young woman who is everything that he’s against.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Especially that she’s becoming a rather loud voice of reason (and against her biodad), and that voice is amplified by sole fact of having half his chromosomes.
It would be neat if Vivian becomes President AOC’s successor. Here’s hoping we shift tracks onto that timeline.
It would…but I think the union would shatter first. We’ve never even had a white AFAB president.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Eh maybe you used to, now they’ve swung hard in the opposite direction. Cancelling their LGBT projects and doing Christian ones instead to try to win back the Right.
It’s gonna flop, that ship sailed ages ago… and they’re still doing shit like Live Action Snow White
Hmm, yeah, I can’t see Disney ever making a kids’ film with Nazis in it.
Like this needed confirmation.
