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Mark my words: if this becomes available in the mainstream, one initial effect will be a rise in unplanned pregnancy.
The number of men who will actually take this is less than the number of men who will claim they take this.
“Birth control is for bitches” I can already hear Tate worshippers justifying rape.
Last time we will hear about this pill. Like the last 5 times
that’s how it works. Human trials can be 5, 10+ years.
I always just used condoms. I only had unprotected sex with women I was willing to have kids with at times we both wanted kids. Over 50 years old, no unwanted pregnancies and no STDs ever. Condoms also help a man last longer in bed, which can help make it more enjoyable for your lady.
No side effects from the drug were detected in either group.
Wow, that’s great.
I wonder what happened to vasalgel. They were supposed to have trials long ago, but for some reason never got there. The webpage says
NEXT Life Sciences announced its launch of the product called Plan A, using the Vasalgel technology for male contraception. The NEXT team expects Plan A to be available to the public in 2026.
But they’ve been saying that for a decade or so now.
An alternative to Vasalgel did a couple of trials in January 2024 and they said the trail would be 2 years long to cover the entire lifespan of the drug.
I was trying to figure out why Vasalgel hasn’t started human trials but I can’t seem to find any actual reasons.
It seems like they’re planning to have it effective for 1-2 years and it takes about 30 days to become effective. That’s not great if you need an annual injection of this stuff or if you don’t know exactly when it stops being effective.
I think it would need to be more in line with IUD timeliness, which I think range from 5-10 years depending on the type.
What a great time to be alive. Well except for the not having a partner. And being too timid to meet someone. And the whole rise of Nazis.
Ok so maybe not that great, but it’s a thing that’s cool.
Yeah this could have helped save my relationship… ten years ago.
Our first was a girl. Second was a boy. Third will be a vasectomy.
Cool! Hopefully it’ll actually reach the public before I have kids so they won’t have to get a vasectomy like I did. Wait…
Can’t wait for the flood of people telling us why this isn’t feasible for men to take and insisting that when a SAFE and 100% EFFECTIVE form is ready they’ll surely take it.
It’s feasible for men to take.
But it’s absolutely not feasible for women to trust a men who says he’s taking it.So it is a good option for family planning of married couples (where the man is legally responsible for any children he might conceive).
But not for casual sex.I’m sure you’re taking the necessary precautions; but in case anybody reading this gets mixed ideas. Using the contraceptive pill will ONLY help prevent pregnancy. There are hundreds reasons why you should still wear a condom for sex with a new partner with unknown history. That goes for both parties!
Hundreds? No. Maybe a dozen reasons.
Every individual syphalitic rambling counts as its own reason.
Listen, it was hard enough to remember that we’re calling them STIs now instead of STDs. You really expect me to memorize how many herpasyphigonnorclammyhyperaids there are out there?
There aren’t really that many, but even beyond that there’s only like 5 that aren’t an easy fix. So I’d only county sti’s as like 5 of the 1 dozen reasons.
Not sure how it’s done where you live, but if you have a one night stand, the condom breaks, and she gets pregnant, you’re still legally on the hook for child support. This sounds like a great idea for any man who wants their own insurance again any accidental pregnancy.
Yes, it is a great idea for men to take it.
It is not a great idea for women to have unprotected sex just because the man says he takes it.Yes, completely agree with that.
In no way was the original comment even trying to imply anything about women trusting men. So I’m a little confused about this response.
Shoes the same on the other foot, pal. Especially considering how often it’s been studied that women stop taking the pill without telling their spouses and then lie to them after getting pregnant, claiming how “crazy and unexpected” it was to get pregnant while on birth control.
The difference is that the worst possible outcome for men is a financial burden.
The worst outcome for women is an unplanned pregnancy, which no matter if you abort it or not, has a very severe effect on the body and mind, on top of everything else.Either way it would be a betrayal of trust that robs you of agency over your own life. That’s definitely not just financial either, any non-sociopath would also have to worry about protecting the wellbeing of their child who a terrible person has parental rights over.
You really like sniffing your own farts. That’s the type of thinking an immature sexist narcissist would have.
As a man I can assure you that this pill wouldn’t be feasable for me to take and I’m better off without it.
~Because I’m snipped~
Samesies. Best decision I ever made.
I’d take it so my gf can get off her hormone implant.
On another platform, yep.
It’s good to see an alternative, even though it’s going to be caught up in the precious fragile masculinity discussion.
You know what’s insane? Handing out hormonal birth control to 14 year old girls. Also, having women take hormones for decades on end.
Honestly I don’t see why any person would want to force someone else to take hormones as a contraceptive when non-hormonal contraceptives work. And the fact that it’s pill form makes it super easy. Literally not even an inconvenience. Just toss it back in the morning. Boom. Done.
Hormones will fuck you up.
I would love it, tbh
I’m skeptical. Anything targeting signalling pathways seems likely to have consequences that aren’t apparent from animal trials. I remember a few years back that MENT (trestolone, 7α-methyl-19-nortestosterone) was being investigated for use as male contraceptive, and one of the biggest issues I recall was that it caused really wild mood swings in a number of men. Admittedly, MENT is hormonal, but I don’t think that issues it caused were anticipated; I think the profile looked much more promising than it ended up being.
Where do I apply as test subject?
The core issue that nobody is mentioning is that (cis) men are ultimately not the people who suffer the consequences for not taking it so they are more likely to just lie. Stealthing is already common enough because men insist it feels better.
Stealthing?
Is that where they don’t put it on or pretend it comes off or some stupid shit?
I’m… Yeah. Im Not ok now. My ex gave me way too many details about when she cheated on me and now I realize just how stupid I was staying with her as long as I did.
God fucking damnit. I mean I get it. Yeah, there’s a noticable difference. But Jesus fucking Christ its rape at that point. I just
Goddamnit fuck men. Fuck all’ the bastards that think they can do whatever they want with women. It’s not right, I don’t care how much hate I get for it. I might be a man, I might be straight as anyone can be. But no one deserves the shit that the patriarchy has created, and every day I seem to learn something new. It’s bad enough that I don’t conform to the “manly” image of being handy, strong, or arrogant, or sporty.
stealthing is and has always been considered rape
Well, duh, that’s why I was surprised that there is another term for it.
It’s not consent. That means my ex was fucking raped and she was so far down the denial hole to the point of blaming me for it. I was in denial. 5 fucking years ago she told me about that. I believed her that it was an accident and it did just slip off. But now I know it’s a thing that guys actually do and Jesus
It’s really fucking me up right now. She didn’t get any diseases or get pregnant but shit, that’s not ok
Like goddamn I don’t know
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Yeah, I get that. I’ve just never heard of it until now, or I was blissfully not thinking about it.
Look my marriage was awful. First, she had undiagnosed ASD. She didn’t do much in terms of the therapy she did get. I knew it, of course, looking back at it.
Problem was she was hot. Like really stupid hot. So I believed everything she told me and did everything she wanted. We barely had sex, and it turned into a drug she’d dose me with to keep me addicted. She hated it, until we were in our 20s and was able to get drunk enough overcome her anxieties (which turned out to be a combination of sensory issues and black & white thinking caused by ultra conservative religious background) but still lucid enough to be aware and communicative.
She was constantly angry and frustrated that I wasn’t doing enough. I worked full time after graduating college, she didn’t. She was incredibly jealous of my friends. Pushed a lot of them a way. Reminded me constantly that I’m not manly, not strong, not fabulously rich, not handy.
Then, after we had a kid, shit got way worse, I gained weight, she got a job, met someone - I still don’t know who - and when I took my son with me to visit family she cheated on me. She left her computer on while she went somewhere on my birthday, and I saw the messages. I moved out a month later and on Valentine’s she confessed everything and more than I wanted to know. Including the missing protection. Eventually we decide to work it out, she claims she didn’t want to. I went through therapy, we maybe slept together twice in 3 years, and after we had spent a year in couples counseling, I catch her sexting the same dude again. After she started to refuse to hand me credit card statements for me to pay.
We’re finally divorcing, we’ve been separated for over a year. But I still care about her because she’s the mother of my boy and putting this all together is just warping my mind in ways I thought I had moved beyond.
I just feel like I could have done better. I feel like there was something I could have done to make things easier, or right, or something so that none of what happened did, but then she went back to him anyway. To make it worse, I make so much more money than her, I’m the one that has to pay for everything. She has an affair, but is essentially raped, goes back to the same guy, and I have to pay the consequences. All of them. The suffering with the knowledge of what happened, the stress with work (oh God that’s another thing), the anger my boy has at me for moving out, the incredible amount I have to pay just to divorce her and afterwards.
I lost weight. Im down to 200 lbs at 6foot. I didn’t want to find out I had a huge dick compared to him but I did. I’m technically successful. Sure. But still being this hurt this long after and something this small triggering the who damn thing again. Really feels like I’m the one who got raped. I know that’s not fair. I wasn’t. But therapy clearly hasn’t done enough. I’m not ready to go out and meet people. I don’t even know if I’m a good dad she might be right about that too.
Ugh
Sorry. I don’t actually expect anyone to read this whole thing but I guess I needed to say it
Yeah. It is that disgusting shit. Someone did it to a friend who does SW last year and it really fucked her up.
I ultimately cannot advocate for male birth control because I trust men so little that I think manhood should be abolished but that is more of a personal stance than anything.
Yeah. Honestly, I don’t blame you. I have like 3 friends that are guys. Each in stable relationships. Each very respectful people.
Personally? Another reason I haven’t had the balls to try and meet women is because of what “masculinity” is. It’s wrong. That’s what it is.
Just like no one can choose their identity or their sex assigned at birth, I can’t choose the fact that I feel natural in my body as a male and im attracted to women. But I can’t fulfill the image that is expected of men. Not amongst men, and not amongst women. If loneliness is the curse I get, then so be it. It’s better than being someone I’m not.
the core issue that nobody is mentioning is that men are ultimately not the people who suffer the consequences
No, thats a major hurdle to get this stuff approved. Birth control all comes with downsides, there’s no “perfect conception” except absence.
With female birth control, the negatives of birth control can far outweigh the negatives of pregnancy. But men have (essentially) no negative medical issues with pregnancy, so a birth control for men would also have to have next to no long or short term issues.
99% effective is nowhere near 100%, perhaps counterintuitively. Sex twice a week for a year and you’re probably in deep shit.
Sure but its about the same rate as female birth control. also fertilization cant happen every single day of the month, so in your scenario you only gotta worry about 2 to 3 days a month, when you could use condoms if you were really worried about it.
This is a fantastic alternative to the hell hormonal birth control can be for women.
Am a dude on thyroid medications - hormonal impacting drugs and hormone variations are fucking brutal.
I talked with my wife to get off BC and we started using condoms again after my ordeal of getting stable with thyroid meds. I was like why would you take that shit when condoms exist.
For folks saying 99% whatever - like my condom busts up 1 in 50 or so. So might be better odds on a med.
I used to have the same issue with condoms, but closer to 1 in 3. It might be worth shopping around for condoms with a better fit
Condoms are only 97% effective.
The 99% effectiveness is measured in the aggregate, not “have sex 100 times and you have a baby.”
Contraceptive effectiveness is usually not measured by number of times sex happened, it’s measured by comparing how many pregnancies happen in comparison with the normally expected in a given time period.
That’s not how those percentages are calculated. It’s not per instance of intercourse, it’s how many couples end up pregnant after being sexually active for a year. 99% means you have a 1% chance of getting a woman pregnant if you’re sexually active throughout a year.
The only birth control that is 100% effective is not having sex.
Abstinence is not birth control.
That’s like saying the only way to build a house that doesn’t fall down is to not build the house.
Abstinence is extremely effective. However, it’s impractical and associated with moralists and the piss-poor “sex education” that Americans get.
But it is 100% effective.
And yes, the best way to build a house that will never, ever fall down is to not build one. It is impractical, and beside the point, but it is true!
The abject lack of sex isn’t a way to make sex safer. It’s dodging the danger of sex, not addressing it. Abstinence has 0% effectiveness as safe sex, as the lack of sex is not at all related to safe sex.
Playing linguistics games is exactly how abstinence gets pushed in the first place. Agreeing that these games are accurate, when they are wholley not, just reinforces those regressive polices.
It really is, avoiding risk vs mitigating risk. Birth control is summarized as avoiding unwanted pregnancies, not about baby safe sex.
And I’m not saying “don’t have sex if you don’t want babies” because that’s stupid ass argument considering we have so many other options for birth control for you to choose from
The only safe way to fly is to not fly.
It’s not birth control.
Vasectomies are close enoughVasectomies aren’t 100% foolproof.
Failure rates (first year) Perfect use 0.10%
Typical use 0.15%
“Vas-Clip” nearly 1%OK that’s great and everything and hurrah for the snipped, V for Victory yadda yadda…
But really, a chart on contraception made by Dr. Dick Beatty?!
I’m crying over here
Now how in the hell is female sterilization not 100%?
Even after tubal litigation it’s possible to still get pregnant if the fallopian tubes grow back together or if another tube/path forms. It’s somewhat rare (0.5% of women who have had the procedure could get pregnant again)
Yeah sure but that’s not what sterilisation means. To be sterile means you’re not making any gametes whatsoever, which typically means a complete removal of the gonads (ie an oophrectomy or orchidectomy). Otherwise you’re not sterile, you’re just infertile.
Isn’t there a chance vasectomies don’t take either?
It’s a lot easier to double check in men.
It’s almost 100% because “proper usage” includes periodic checks.
But the same thing can happen with vasectomies so why isn’t it showing anything there?
Vasectomies are a lot easier to double check. A woman released 1 egg a month. A man released a LOT of swimmers every shot. Go in a cup and check for swimmers.
Guessing it’s more female “sterilization”
I remember hearing that in rare cases, getting their tubes tied can actually heal.
I don’t get it. Does that mean on average a couple using condoms for 10 years will be pregnant 1.5 times?
The only birth control that is 100% effective is having HOT GAY SEX™
Alternatively become a Buddhist monk and hit yourself in the balls until you’re infertile, I guess
And there I was, thinking my vagina must be broken because I somehow still haven’t got my girlfriend pregnant 🤦♀️
Go back to the dark ages already
Is that any different than the pill or other contraception methods?
Bro, are you seriously against male contraception? The pill has failure rates of 9 friggin’ percent of typical use. 99% for typical use would be amazing.
If you combine it with the 99.9% (made up number) of condoms then you are pretty damn safe tho.
Or just the wrong hole at the wrong time.
I was already considering hitting up my fwb who has a breeding fetish tbh. Now I’m def gonna quit doomscrolling and [REDACTED]
