I have driven in cities with such poorly timed lights that it almost encourages you to run a red, but to do it so cavalierly and streaming yourself doing it is just so dangerous and stupid.
Depends. If you’re at a complete stop, the intersection has good visibility (so you can see there’s no traffic), and the roads aren’t too large, it’s pretty similar to other maneuvers like a stop sign or uncontrolled left turn.
I didn’t trust drivers to properly make these judgements so they shouldn’t do it at all, though.
It depends on the driving culture in a city. In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended. Obviously, all of this can be avoided with public transit, but these are the realities of driving.
People who slam on the breaks to avoid running a red are not deliberately running reds, they’re estimating that they have time to NOT run a red and changing their estimation too late
so the objection here is not about running the red light and the dangerous part you mentioned is danger to herself because she’s providing evidence then?
That’s not what I said. In the event that the driving culture in the city (light timing, other drivers’ expectations, etc) makes it so that you are encouraged to run a red light, do it in such a way as to minimize any danger to yourself and anyone around you. Quite frankly it’s very possible that being on her phone was a more dangerous choice than running the red light.
In the event that the driving culture in the city (light timing, other drivers’ expectations, etc) makes it so that you are encouraged to run a red light, do it in such a way as to minimize any danger to yourself and anyone around you.
This is asinine. The way you minmize danger to yourself and anyone around you is not running a red light. “My justified running red lights due to other driver expectations” vs. “Her obviously dangerous running red lights because I don’t wanna wait” isn’t even a false dichotomy, it’s not even a dichotomy. That’s the same thing except you figure it’s fine when you do it.
In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended. Do not ever, EVER follow the law if other drivers are expecting you to break it. That is far more dangerous. If the speed limit is 35 and everyone is going 80, you need to match their speed or you risk someone no paying attention slamming into you. Same with stops, lights, etc. It comes down to the culture in the city.
It is dangerous to drive distracted. It is not dangerous, comparatively, to drive the exact same way everyone else does.
In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended.
This is quite obviously not the fault of the red light cameras, it’s the fault of people who don’t know how to keep a safe distance to the car infront of them.
Do not ever, EVER follow the law if other drivers are expecting you to break it. That is far more dangerous. If the speed limit is 35 and everyone is going 80, you need to match their speed or you risk someone no paying attention slamming into you.
Sounds like maybe someone should do something about people doing 80 in a 35, distracted.
This entire line of argument is a race to the bottom, even for car drivers, nevermind anybody not inside a car who is far safer around somebody doing 35 than 80.
Car brain has spread even here. People convinced they can break all the rules because they understand the “culture” lmao.
car brains are the ones creating this toxic dangerous “culture”
This is quite obviously not the fault of the red light cameras, it’s the fault of people who don’t know how to keep a safe distance to the car infront of them.
Moot.
Sounds like maybe someone should do something about people doing 80 in a 35, distracted.
Moot.
This entire line of argument is a race to the bottom, even for car drivers, nevermind anybody not inside a car who is far safer around somebody doing 35 than 80.
Moot.
It doesn’t matter what driving should be like. This is what it is, and if you don’t follow it then you are putting yourself and others in danger.
I have driven in cities with such poorly timed lights that it almost encourages you to run a red, but to do it so cavalierly and streaming yourself doing it is just so dangerous and stupid.
Maybe the red lights where she is are just so poorly timed that she is encouraged to run a red?
It’s possible. If you’re going to run a red, do it safely and not on camera.
WTF? I think safety has gone out the window when you run a red light.
Depends. If you’re at a complete stop, the intersection has good visibility (so you can see there’s no traffic), and the roads aren’t too large, it’s pretty similar to other maneuvers like a stop sign or uncontrolled left turn.
I didn’t trust drivers to properly make these judgements so they shouldn’t do it at all, though.
It depends on the driving culture in a city. In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended. Obviously, all of this can be avoided with public transit, but these are the realities of driving.
This is far less likely to injure or kill than the kind of collision that occurs more often when people are trying to deliberately run a red light.
People who slam on the breaks to avoid running a red are not deliberately running reds, they’re estimating that they have time to NOT run a red and changing their estimation too late
Agreed.
Moot and completely misunderstanding what I am saying.
I don’t think this is the case
Then explain how you understand what I am saying
so the objection here is not about running the red light and the dangerous part you mentioned is danger to herself because she’s providing evidence then?
That’s not what I said. In the event that the driving culture in the city (light timing, other drivers’ expectations, etc) makes it so that you are encouraged to run a red light, do it in such a way as to minimize any danger to yourself and anyone around you. Quite frankly it’s very possible that being on her phone was a more dangerous choice than running the red light.
This is asinine. The way you minmize danger to yourself and anyone around you is not running a red light. “My justified running red lights due to other driver expectations” vs. “Her obviously dangerous running red lights because I don’t wanna wait” isn’t even a false dichotomy, it’s not even a dichotomy. That’s the same thing except you figure it’s fine when you do it.
In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended. Do not ever, EVER follow the law if other drivers are expecting you to break it. That is far more dangerous. If the speed limit is 35 and everyone is going 80, you need to match their speed or you risk someone no paying attention slamming into you. Same with stops, lights, etc. It comes down to the culture in the city.
It is dangerous to drive distracted. It is not dangerous, comparatively, to drive the exact same way everyone else does.
This is quite obviously not the fault of the red light cameras, it’s the fault of people who don’t know how to keep a safe distance to the car infront of them.
Sounds like maybe someone should do something about people doing 80 in a 35, distracted.
This entire line of argument is a race to the bottom, even for car drivers, nevermind anybody not inside a car who is far safer around somebody doing 35 than 80.
Car brain has spread even here. People convinced they can break all the rules because they understand the “culture” lmao. car brains are the ones creating this toxic dangerous “culture”
Moot.
Moot.
Moot.
It doesn’t matter what driving should be like. This is what it is, and if you don’t follow it then you are putting yourself and others in danger.
what if idaho stop, but for cars?
There are intersections that are so open and clear that you can ascertain with full certainty that there is NO risk to others.
you need all of 2 people thinking this and some unfortunate timing before they run into each other
A blank intersection with clear sightlines doesnt have 2 people