all that goes through their head is about making content
Imagine filming yourself breaking the law.
Imagine filming yourself breaking the law that’s not even cool like Palestine Action breaking into drone factories to smash drones used by the Zionist entity to kill Palestinians but something like running a red which just makes you look like a complete dipshit.
This isn’t a streamer thing specifically, that just makes it visible, including the thought process. This is just carbrain. Why do you think so many people run red lights?
People routinely run stop lights and cruise right through stop signs in California, almost to the point where they’re just mere suggestions for maybe slowing down a bit unless you have to stop for cross traffic.
I’ve been in neighborhoods in California that have zero signage at 4 way intersections where any where else I’d expect them to be 4 way stops. or at the very least 2 way stops.
It’s wild to me that it’s just kept a free for all.
probably because it wouldn’t matter if they put a stop sign in or not… nobody follows them anyway
They actually do this on purpose in many Dutch cities. The idea is that if you remove most of the signs and lights, drivers will have to think for themselves and be actively aware of the traffic around them. It seems to work, Dutch cities are generally friendly to pedestrians and cyclists and AFAIK the number of accidents are relatively low.
I don’t think this works without all the other bits of dutch traffic planning like separating infrastructure very strictly for the most part, slowing down cars a lot wherever that isn’t feasible or wanted and also that basically everyone still also rides a bicycle instead of using a car exclusively. Approaches in isolation such as this are tried every few years here in germany - which is less carbrained than the US as per infrastructure at least - and it usually fails horribly because the underlying mindset of the country is still “road = cars, get out of the fucking way”. It very occasionally works out in very small, rural communities where the socetial pressure not to run your actual, known neighbour over takes hold but otherwise it’s a mess.
I once went out of my way on a cycle trip to ride through Bohmte, which has tried a rathe more dutch shared space approach with no traffic signs, no lights, no sidewalks in their inner city and it does not work one fucking bit, it works out to be the worlds most stroad. Mind you, the clearly designated sidewalk is a later addition on account of how much it did not work.
yup they call this a California stop
A rolling stop is called a Whatever Region You Don’t Like Stop
Californians that I know call it the California Creep
It can be self deprecation as well. Regardless it’s not a regional phenomenon but everyone names it like it is one in every region
Cars are inherently dangerous.
You’re right in that this is framed in a way that puts the responsibility on the individual (not defending her and saying what she did was fine) rather than the poorly designed method of transportation.
You’re right in that this is framed in a way that puts the responsibility on the individual
I know you’re not defending her but whose else would it be? This isn’t somebody making a mistake because none of us are infallible and being forced to drive cars, this is a clearly stated, willfull action.
I agree but there is also a responsibility to make systems more idiot-proof and bad actor proof, because as you said people are infallible. I just believe cars are inherently dangerous and you can only go so far in trying to idiot proof it. I would like the conversation to be more about why is it so easy for someone to do something so dangerous, rather than this person is a bad person and needs to be punished.
We are kind of forced to drive cars because of the way urban planning is done. Very few places in the US are designed where you can conveniently access most areas you want without a car
I would like the conversation to be more about why is it so easy for someone to do something so dangerous
Because the underlying assumption is every car driver is entirely rational, at full capacity at all times with the decision making capabilities of a fighter jet pilot and every time you try to change this they all band together to defend this status quo, even if it means they’ll get T-Boned by idiots like posted in the OP.
rather than this person is a bad person and needs to be punished.
She needs to lose her drivers license is the thing. There’s societal problems abound, on aggregate, with behaviour like this and it’s still very much an individual being a fucking moron. I don’t think think this is worthy of jail time or even a fine necessarily, but a person who shows this open disregard for very clear, basic rules of road safety should not be allowed to operate a car.
Carbrain shit. Every driver is entitled to totally unobstructed roads to and from their destination at zero cost to themselves.
Who watches this shit? Why is our culture like this?
Alienation and atomization leads to people seeking out parasocial relationships.
alienation and atomization sound like dope ass scifi things until you figure out what they are
Alienation is mundane. But Alien Nation was a sci fi movie and show, and I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but I don’t remember a damn thing about it
That means you can watch it again and experience it like the first time, or find out it wasn’t actually as good as you remember.
I still can’t understand why people watch “reality” TV. I can go out in public and hear dumb people say dumb shit without having to watch advertisements
They trashiness is the appeal. People can watch it and assure themselves of how much of a better person they are than the people on the show
I realized this when I found out the main viewer demographics for these shows aren’t the type of people depicted, lower class and uneducated. It’s actually middle class, college educated people who make up the disproportionate bulk of the viewership.
The entertainment is predicated on a classist schadenfreude. The guilty pleasure isn’t “I enjoy trashy stuff” it’s “I am better than this trash”.
Same reason so many people like looking at mugshot sections of the local paper
It’s tolerable (depending on the streamer) when it’s just 10-30 second Tik Tok highlights, maybe even a 20 min Youtube vlog…but hours long streams? Goddamn what a waste of time
Me forming a parasocial bond with an influencer by running a red while watching a livestream of her running a red.
Tariff podcast equipment 900%
Streaming while driving is bad enough.
fucking mythbusters showed quite clearly in an idiot-digestible way that trying to drive and talk at the same time is a bad fucking idea, unless you either dont care how you drive or dont really care what you’re saying. how. how. you’re in a 2ton piece of steel hurtling down the scenery, jesus christ.
unless you either dont care how you drive
Hey bud, you seated? I have some bad news.
how. how. you’re in a 2ton piece of steel hurtling down the scenery, jesus christ.
It’s never the drivers fault to people with carbrain. It is this line of thinking, for everything, at all times. . It’s not my fault for driving straight at the child sized, massive concrete divider, it’s the concrete dividers fault for being there. Also the bicycles, despite there being no bicycle infrastructure present
this is what cars are
FLCL mention!
actually, the only time I watched FLCL was on a tiny screen with a bunch of friends talking over it. I should really give it a proper watch
It’s crazy that post was 2 years ago. I can remember it being posted.
Unexpected mini struggle session about running red lights being praxis
Only if you’re doing it in a bike
Muh flow of traffic! If everyone is driving dangerously then I’m in danger if I don’t!
Fucking Fury Road logic
And yet I’m the one everyone looks at funny for huffing spray paint while I drive
that’s because spray paint is declasse. people with a touch of class sniff glue or air fresheners.
We need Bike Lane Polecats
Very expected struggle session if you’ve ever been in contact with carbrained people
they have no limits. they won’t be happy until the entire world is a paved over freeway with no rules
I have driven in cities with such poorly timed lights that it almost encourages you to run a red, but to do it so cavalierly and streaming yourself doing it is just so dangerous and stupid.
Maybe the red lights where she is are just so poorly timed that she is encouraged to run a red?
It’s possible. If you’re going to run a red, do it safely and not on camera.
WTF? I think safety has gone out the window when you run a red light.
Depends. If you’re at a complete stop, the intersection has good visibility (so you can see there’s no traffic), and the roads aren’t too large, it’s pretty similar to other maneuvers like a stop sign or uncontrolled left turn.
I didn’t trust drivers to properly make these judgements so they shouldn’t do it at all, though.
It depends on the driving culture in a city. In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended. Obviously, all of this can be avoided with public transit, but these are the realities of driving.
because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed
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When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended
This is far less likely to injure or kill than the kind of collision that occurs more often when people are trying to deliberately run a red light.
People who slam on the breaks to avoid running a red are not deliberately running reds, they’re estimating that they have time to NOT run a red and changing their estimation too late
Agreed.
Moot and completely misunderstanding what I am saying.
completely misunderstanding what I am saying.
I don’t think this is the case
so the objection here is not about running the red light and the dangerous part you mentioned is danger to herself because she’s providing evidence then?
That’s not what I said. In the event that the driving culture in the city (light timing, other drivers’ expectations, etc) makes it so that you are encouraged to run a red light, do it in such a way as to minimize any danger to yourself and anyone around you. Quite frankly it’s very possible that being on her phone was a more dangerous choice than running the red light.
In the event that the driving culture in the city (light timing, other drivers’ expectations, etc) makes it so that you are encouraged to run a red light, do it in such a way as to minimize any danger to yourself and anyone around you.
This is asinine. The way you minmize danger to yourself and anyone around you is not running a red light. “My justified running red lights due to other driver expectations” vs. “Her obviously dangerous running red lights because I don’t wanna wait” isn’t even a false dichotomy, it’s not even a dichotomy. That’s the same thing except you figure it’s fine when you do it.
what if idaho stop, but for cars?
In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended. Do not ever, EVER follow the law if other drivers are expecting you to break it. That is far more dangerous. If the speed limit is 35 and everyone is going 80, you need to match their speed or you risk someone no paying attention slamming into you. Same with stops, lights, etc. It comes down to the culture in the city.
It is dangerous to drive distracted. It is not dangerous, comparatively, to drive the exact same way everyone else does.
In the city I used to work in, there were the number of accidents went up due to the city putting up red light cameras because the culture at the time was to run reds for a bit after the light changed. When they put up the cameras, people would slam on their brakes and get rear ended.
This is quite obviously not the fault of the red light cameras, it’s the fault of people who don’t know how to keep a safe distance to the car infront of them.
Do not ever, EVER follow the law if other drivers are expecting you to break it. That is far more dangerous. If the speed limit is 35 and everyone is going 80, you need to match their speed or you risk someone no paying attention slamming into you.
Sounds like maybe someone should do something about people doing 80 in a 35, distracted.
This entire line of argument is a race to the bottom, even for car drivers, nevermind anybody not inside a car who is far safer around somebody doing 35 than 80.
There are intersections that are so open and clear that you can ascertain with full certainty that there is NO risk to others.
you need all of 2 people thinking this and some unfortunate timing before they run into each other
ACAB means red lights too
You jest but the issue of traffic policing does feel like something one would have to exempt from the general ACAB approach
If done right I’d agree. obviously now it’s used as a tool to terrorize minorities, but I do wish we’d take traffic safety more seriously. Seeing people consistently speed down pedestrian heavy areas 20 over is insane.
Yeah, traffic enforcement requiring specialist equipment and specific knowledge is why I feel that community policing has its limits and even a socialist state would require some form of a professional police force (albeit one that serves the proletariat and not the bourgeoisie like it is now).
Where do cops actually do traffic enforcement in a working sense? Everywhere I’m aware of, excluding very locally contained oddities, they’re either also all hugely carbrained and don’t give a shit except for sitting at badly designed traffic spots to fish for tickets or traffic enforcement barring high speed chases and openly taunting them is primarily in the jurisdiction of some sort of boring unarmed municipal department and as such they see this as beneath them.
Every time I see someone drive through a red light I honestly hope they meet an ugly fate by a similarly shitty driver before a random pedestrian gets turned into paste. And I don’t mean like a short yellow light, of course. Some folks just hate following the most basic of rules when using a vehicle that should be treated more as a privilege than a requirement.
She went to Yale, why do I know this
Columbia, but yeah. Also I blame the pandemic for me injecting Twitch directly into my brain for a few years
Semi-serious question, do they actually test people anymore to get a license?
Yeah but that doesn’t mean much. In high school I knew a kid who failed his written portion of the driving test the first time. When I asked him how he said he got really hung up on one question. The question was “what do you do when you drive by the exit you needed to take on the freeway.” This is multiple choice and he chose “pull into the shoulder to back up down the freeway to get back to the exit”.
He didn’t understand why that was the wrong answer and was sure the test was wrong. So he figured he’d just answer the way the test wanted to next time even though he knows he’d just back up down the shoulder. And that’s exactly what he did a few weeks later, apparently, because he proudly showed off his license after finally getting it.
So he’s still out there driving around as far as I know. I definitely didn’t keep in contact with him for hopefully obvious reasons so maybe he drove off a bridge or something already idk
I’d like to mention here Germany, where I live, has rather more stringend theoretical and practical driving exams and it also doesn’t matter because the common consensus for most of the rules here is that you only have to know them for the theoretical test, follow them for the practical driving exam and then who cares there’s basically 0 traffic enforcement, it’s all a great big ploy against the average man and even if you do get caught the punishment is a pittance anyways. You can tell the judge you hallucinated the light being green and kill a child and not even lose your drivers license over that.
Yes
Influencers in general, yes.
Stream of unconsciousness?
