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that’s incredible, everybody there must know the gig is up
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The European Union continues to make no diplomatic efforts to find an end to the war, as chief diplomat Kaja Kallas wrote today that the “longer Russia wages war, the tougher our (sanctions) response.”
How are they still threatening someone with sanctions after already doing 17 rounds of it?
Everthing that can damage the Russian war economy has already been done at this point, but I guess they’re gonna be real scared when they read about that 18th sanction package.The fact that this Estonian ghoul is the “chief diplomat” is such a tell.
I love how after Months of extensive talks all Euros can come up with is more sanctions.
I’d like to see ol’ Putin wriggle his way out of THIS jam!
Narrator: He did.
It really is incredible isn’t it. These people just keep trying the same thing, that’s been hurting them far more than Russia, and they’re literally unable to think of anything else to do.
Keep men, lose land; land can be taken again. Keep land, lose men; land and men are both lost.
Libs thought Ukraine was winning because Russia wasn’t gaining ground. It never occurred to them that Russia’s strategy has been to deplete Ukraine’s strength until they can take as much as they please.
Well how could they conceive of that when in their world Ukraine hasn’t suffered a single casualty
Yea i mean Russia was just doing human wave attacks of unarmed people who had never seen a toilet according to reddit.
I don’t understand what the problem is.
It is just a month ago I read a dead serious article about Russia now being so short of vehicles that they were riding donkeys and camels into battle.
Before this war I genuinely believed no one could be stupid enough to believe this level of nonsense; the last few years have been particularly illuminating.
Me five years ago: “thank god we have the internet now, and the ability of people to talk with others on the other side of the Earth makes them much less likely to swallow nationalist war propaganda”
Me now: “half of European citizens are fascist white supremacists and at the very least need years worth of reeducation”
Up til now it has been thought that the growth of Christian myths during the Roman Empire was possible only because printing was not yet invented. Precisely the contrary. The daily press and the telegraph, which in a moment spreads inventions over the whole Earth, fabricates more myths (and the bourgeoise cattle believe and enlarge upon them) in one day than could have formerly been done in a century.
Saw somebody say that an explosio in a shopping center in Poland was set by russia to harm the Polish economy and just like… Why? What would be the point of taking an insane risk lile this for the .0000000001% of the economy that any given shopping center provides?
Or the severed communications line line in the baltic. How would that serve any Russian objective (later it was found a civilian vessel dragged an anchor).
Abducting 700,000 kids and rehoming them, or alternately, deporting 700,000 kids. Why? That costs money? What do they stand to gain materially from that?" They’ll say it’s genocide, but unlike Israel, there isn’t any record of Russian officials or church leaders or even a popular front calling for Ukranian genociding. Then these motherfuckers have the gall to accuse us of conspiracy theories.
The media has successfully convinced them to turn off their brains regarding this
To be fair to them, we haven’t seen an attritional war strategy enacted since probably Vietnam, and never an attritional war strategy by near peer adversaries in the 21st century.
But on the other hand, all late game TvT ends up becoming attritional, with the player who is most able to efficiently use resources usually winning. Map painting rarely wins you the game unless you are being precise and strategic in what is being painted and where. I distinctly remember calling this strategy when Russia retreated over the river in the South saying that while it was a political disaster, it was absolutely the best military strategic move if the point was to grind down a weaker opponent. Make them take and hold the strategically useless, but politically important land. I was told I was ‘coping’.
To be fair to them, we haven’t seen an attritional war strategy enacted since probably Vietnam,
Wasn’t the Syrian Civil war several years of attrition before the rebel coalition mostly collapsed (in the first half)?
Yeah, but that was far more asymmetrical, especially from the U.S. side, where we were mostly drone striking non-cooperative entities and funding cooperative entities to undermine the legitimacy of the Syrian government. From the Syrian side it was attritional, and their strategy worked until they ran out of money to maintain the standing army to the degree needed to keep out a fully funded and backed by Turkish-Isreali funded force, and then were completely obliterated by the Israeli Air Force. Which isn’t going to happen to Russia, but could possibly happen to Ukraine, but the effects will be different.
TvT
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Terran v.s. Terran in StarCraft 2. Basically the closest equivalent you can get to what mass simulated battles, where resources are gained and expended rapidly from a commander standpoint, look like. The second closest equivalent would be Squad, but there is no resource extraction backline aspect to the game, it is still too focused on individual combat encounters deciding outcomes.
You could also argue that “Foxhole” is actually the best milsim equivalent, but those games move too slowly to analogize for non-gamers, you might as well be watching an actual war unfold, plus there is a whole ‘teching’ aspect that doesn’t actually apply irl, nor aircraft or drone warfare, which is the most prominent aspect of the Ukraine-Russian conflict.
The point is that there are plenty of modern war gaming examples that explain why near-peer conflicts will inevitably turn towards an attritional strategy, and that taking land simply to take it is a terrible strategy.
Ah, okay. Thanks!
The Vapid Turks
Terran vs Terran (StarCraft match-up)
I thought the military tap was back on after Trump made the “loot all natural resources” deal. Does someone need this?
The natural resources deal is meaningless if Ukraine neither wins nor makes peace. And it is impossible for it to win.
Therefore, Trump’s victory condition is peace.
Ultimately the fault of the nationalist ukranian elite and the west for letting it get to this, they could’ve given ukraine an easier out right after the war began but now it’s gonna pay the price for giving russia a bloody nose and get basically no meaningful reward
If they accepted minsk 2.0 then they would have just lost crimea. But greed and chauvinism was stronger - and so a million Ukrainians were sacrified at the altar
At this point I pretty strongly believe that total collapse and occupation by Russia would be far and away the best outcome for most Ukrainians
Its the best outcome for the world too, we don’t need a western rump Ukraine for the EU/US to pump full of weapons and create a flashpoint
Ok but what if rump Ukrainian state backed by EU/US that turns on the EU/US?
Blowback Season 7 hell yeah
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Not exactly sure about that, there’s going to be a substantial insurgency either way.
Yeah, either way. The best outcome for Ukraine would’ve been to tell the west to kick rocks in like 2013, not done ethnic cleansing, and not gotten into this situation in the first place.
But now the best outcome is anything that ends the war with the least amount of control by the United States.
There will definitely be an insurgency but I’m not sure it’s going to be as powerful as many think. With the losses Ukraine has suffered, there won’t be a huge reserve of people willing and able to carry it out, similar to how there was very little Nazi insurgent activity after the end of the war because most of the true believers with military experience had been killed by that point. This is probably an additional reason as to why Russia is carrying out its attritional strategy, as it partially defangs the inevitable insurgency. But I suppose the counter to my argument is that a Ukrainian insurgency would almost certainly have Western intelligence backing, whereas the Nazi’s Werwolf was an anemic project from the outset with no outside backing.
That and all the skilled nazis got hired by the us and nato for reasons. When the nazis stayed in power in lots of places there was not a practical need for them to have an insurgency in that way.
Good point, I definitely overlooked that. I also forgot to mention for comparison that one of the reasons why the Iraqi insurgency was so strong was because the Iraqi military wasn’t destroyed (at least manpower-wise) in the US invasion, which allowed huge swathes of Iraqi soldiers to become insurgents.
I have to remember to think about it myself. That lifetime of propaganda sits in sometimes.
In the west, which I doubt russia will occupy. Central and Eastern Ukraine will be no issue.
You strongly believe Russia should occupy the parts of Ukraine that are majority Ukrainian? Why?
This is a country that was already not wealthy to begin with, which will have to deal with the devastation caused by the war, with the remains of a military increasingly run by card-carrying neo nazis and with having lost an entire generation of men. And if that wasn’t enough, Ukraine has already agreed to let Western capital loot the country and strip it for parts the second the war is over, like the extortion deal they signed with the US. Even if Putin were to sign an unconditional ceasefire tomorrow and retreat from every occupied territory, Ukraine would be absolutely and completely fucked.
Those territories becoming part of Russia would cause its own share of problems, sure, but I can see how Russia would be more capable of rebuilding and maintaining at least a minimum of stability.
Couldn’t have said it better
The Ukrainians built their national identity around worshiping a Nazi-collaborating pogromist. I hardly think Russia could make the place worse.
Darn. Oh noes! Shucks!
