Saw this on 
Stay safe and anonymous comrades
And Democrats will support it since PSL pulled 171,000 votes that rightfully belonged to
171k votes that she still would’ve lost with btw lmao
Yep, in no universe would I have ever voted for that bum. Same reason piracy doesn’t hurt media companies. People who pirate were never paying for that shit anyway.
I notice I’m not getting 171,000 upvotes on my posts…
This is how you know the PSL is doing the right thing
critical support for psl
The NAACP was banned from Alabama in the 50s for refusing to turn over their donor lists, the PSL better not lib out and fold over some wimpy senate committee hearing threats
They won’t, but I’m not confident they’re not using Google docs for their rolls, so the Fed probably already has the list.
true but i have no doubt that the member list of every lefty org in america is already fully known to the alphabets
they are incompetent but not that incompetent
You’re telling me the moment a person or organization even starts to have the potential to effect change, they shut it down?
How did other countries’ leftist movements deal with this? Like how did the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, and SRs survive in Tsarist Russia when they were constantly being infiltrated, censored, banned, their leaders exiled, etc?
Maybe this is a better question for a separate askchapo/asklemmygrad thread.
Going underground has been a successful tactic, where the structure and leadership are opaque but actions are still clear. We also just exist in a world of surveillance which has made the lessons from the Bolsheviks in this case almost irrelevant. Lenin sat on a train with someone hunting him and wasn’t caught. You gotta get 7 surgeries and wait 5 years to possibly pull that trick that he did by just not having known photographs spread far and wide.
Only problem with going underground that I could see is it makes it more difficult to advertise and grow your membership.
For sure! But it makes protecting good leadership easier, I hope. Just gotta think of cool names, like Wool or Bronzer
Leadership goes underground and works at getting communication, training, and supplies set up.
Leadership trains individuals who then go out to areas to assess, agitate for, and run groups in an area. Those individuals now have access to communication networks and resources maintained by the underground leadership while the individuals operate mostly independently of the central leadership.
Think of it in the same way the Palestinian resistance works right now. There are independent military brigades that operate within an area but are not micromanaged by central leadership outside of the brigade’s area of operations. Central leadership will get updates on what the brigades are doing and give the brigades whatever intel they can along with directing supplies but at the end of the day the brigades are mostly left alone to pick their targets. Central leadership can be compromised and the brigades can still fight, any one brigade can be compromised without immediately hindering the other brigades ability to fight.
Lenin sat on a train with someone hunting him and wasn’t caught.
Obligatory reminder that Lenin was arrested in A-H for being a Russian spy and when pigs searched his house they completely ignored all the illegal party correspondence (presumably because it was just lying in the open and were written mostly in Russian and French which they couldn’t read) but confiscated the book about statistics because it had graphs and tables (meaning spying, no matter it was book about agriculture). And entire case was so ridiculous he was shortly released at the intervention of some socialdemocrats from Vienna.
Honestly they didn’t live in the type of functional surveillance states that we live in. More than just technologies and techniques which have vastly improved as well as coordination the ability to hunt down enemies of the state there’s also the fact the states they were in were not as shall we say functional or solid as ours. They were weakened states in some internal disarray.
For this reason I think unfortunately revolution is pretty much hopeless and impossible in the imperial core until external conditions such as the collapse of imperialism and the US dollars and an overall weakening of the US state takes place and weaken these systems of surveillance and control and oppression. Until that happens, until they start rotting, things no longer working and not being repaired for weeks type of situation they’re just too strong. That or we’d need way more than the 10-20% of society that usually sides with a revolution, like 50% and at least 30% willing to take violent and coordinated action and I don’t see that in the US near-term so I think rot is the more likely to come and weaken and blind them and eventually in that decay room for things happening is found.
I might be high on copiun but I think the level of imperialist infighting we’re currently seeing might be a product of the weakening of imperial hegemony. The rate of profit of imperial extraction no longer provides sufficient growth to stave off bigger and bigger crises more and more often, which is why the bourgeoisie of the metropole has become so shamelessly exploitative even if everyone can see it’s killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The political momentum that this horrible genocidal structure gained is so huge that even very influential capitalists like Buffet and Soros can’t pull enough political capital to halt, much less reverse. They’ve been talking about Keynesian measures for god knows how long and yet the big steamroller keeps chugging along.
I think revolution is no longer hopeless, it’s looking inevitable. Hardly a week goes by without some shit happening that would have sparked a wave of riots a decade ago.
The Bolsheviks developed out of “The Russian Social Democratic Labor Party,” and organization where Lenin had a prominent position - because explicitly communist parties were illegal and repressed, so for a time everyone just called themselves social democrats. As for Lenin, he was a bit like Luthen from Andor, he kept his circles tight and did what he could to rigorously vet their ideology.
Something similar happened in China, though not by choice - the Long March was so deadly that those few who survived it proved that they were genuinely committed to the cause. The fact that Deng Xiaoping was there from the start is part of why Mao was indecisive about him, purging him and then letting him back in several times.
I believe there’s sometimes been a strategy of having a nonthreatening, public facing organization, which aids and provides cover for a more radical, underground group. I don’t have a source for that, but that’s how I’ve heard American communists functioned before they were stamped out.
It’s actually cool and good to join the working families party and try to pull them away from corporate donors, and away from the Democratic party in general. If you are successful, you’ll create a place where more radical people can find each other.
I don’t organize this way, but I think it’s just fine to build the DSA or whatever, even if you know a better way.
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we just need to vote harder
Gosh I didn’t know the senate had the ability to do this kind of thing. Somebody should have told the democratic senators about this in the past decade, they might have been able to hold the proud boys, patriot front, threepers, etc, accountable for their violent attacks. Shucks!
The Dems are too busy trying to win their votes
(pelosi kneeling in a fred perry polo)
And in bad country, the two party system that’s in reality one big party, rule with an iron fist and quash all the peasant’s trying to organize outside of that system
I’m scared for these orgs, though. Apparently they’re also targeting CHIRLA, which led the charge on these protests initially I believe, and other immigrant rights organizations, too. The new red scare is starting up I feel and the fascist hammer of the state will come down on everyone organizing outside the two parties.
The left never really survived the first red scare, but hopefully they picked up some lessons to apply to this one.
we have been in red scare 3 for at least 5 years
Occupy Wallstreet had libs pearlclutching over communists, despite Occupy being super duper lib itself.
my mind goes to the china stuff
This is how I remind myself that I live in a rarified space where, because I have family that worked in China, and colleagues that deal with Chinese suppliers regularly, basically everyone around me has a favourable idea of China and sees the U.S. as having batshit industrial policies.
That dip is insane.
Josh “raise a fist in unity with 1/6ers” Hawley can eat a dick
Yeah fuck that guy
Yeah of course he’s orchestrating this blatant disregard for democracy. Total cartoon villain henchman.
These liberals are pissing me off…
I’m the original ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Starwalker
Has the PSL issued a response?
I don’t think so yet, but someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I’m guessing they’re consulting lawyers and discussing within their committees and such. The good thing about a democratic centralist organization is that they hopefully should be able to respond to this quickly, so I’m surprised they’re taking this long, but hopefully it means a good and solid response of “fuck you, we haven’t done anything, we don’t have to”.
Eh. The hearings in the second red scare, HUAC, the Hollywood blacklist. They can haul whoever they want in front of congress and send them to prison and that especially applies to communists in front of special fascist panels. Not saying they should fold but uh they could absolutely start identifying and arresting and imprisoning leadership to say nothing of murdering them.
So it’s not necessarily so simple as asserting their rights, worth trying but you need a better plan than that because this guy isn’t going to go “aww shucks” and back down over that. They’re in full press the envelope of legality mode with all these actions so it’s impossible to know for sure where they end up.
Dang someone better tell the person who’s distributing psl agitprop around town here 🥸
“And the PSL rebellion has been foiled. The remaining PSLists will be hunted down and defeated!” - Supreme Chancellor Trump, probably 2026
How did that poem go again? something about socialists.
first they came in the socialists
wheres the source link?
Joining.
