so, as a gay man i agree with the sentiment however
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
it’s real easy to find references, but part of that is shoddy biased (or just ignorant) translations… part of it is selective interpretation (guess we can wear mixed fabric and eat pork… and what was that about the camel and the eye of the needle? i’m pretty sure it applied to billionaires)… and that’s all with the assumption that the bible wasn’t just written by a bunch of people that saw a way to make a (figurative) buck
finding a statement that supports pretty much anything you’re doing is pretty easy… this is how we got the crusades and witch trials after all, despite thou shalt not commit murder
I’ll be contrary here. It’s not easy att all to make the Bible say what you want. You have to commit to incredible mental gymnastics that involves consciously being malicious, including ignoring specific and repeated passages explaining how the practice (of using the bible as a weaponry or deliberately misinterpreting it) is sending you to hell, while simultaneously posing as a believer to convince the other party that they subscribe to only those concering beliefs truthfully, in an insane torrent of cherry picking that only ignorance flavored psychosis or beligerence can explain. While I’m certain many are just swept into the former, at least a disturbing few are engaged in the latter.
Leviticus is Old Testament. If you actually read the Bible and follow its teachings, a Christian is not supposed to be following the Old Testament. That’s why it’s the “old” testament and now there’s a New Testament that is supposed to be followed instead of “Old Testament 2: zombie boogaloo”. The Old Testament is there for context. The whole idea of the New Testament is god came down to look upon his world as one of his creations, went “this shit’s kinda fucked” and started handing out new rules to make the place a little less fucked. It’s a real shame that most Christians haven’t read the Bible and depend on old guys in strange buildings to tell them what a book says, world would probably be a lot cooler if these people could be bothered to fucking read.
“Love one another” is not a complicated line full of subtext and what-ifs. You don’t need an old dude at the front of a crowd to tell you what it means, unfortunately there’s very few actually good Christians out there so now we’re here.
Anywhere, here’s a few great lines to throw at shitty people who use the Bible as cover for being bastards:
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
This one was particularly good at convincing my Bible thumping aunt to leave me alone when I told her I was bisexual and an athiest. She started lecturing Bible verses at me and I hit her with Ye Olde “Shut up bitch”
Mathew 6:1-34
_Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. _
You could credibly claim that Jesus instructed everyone to follow the old laws still.
“[17]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [18]For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Depending on how you interpret “heaven and earth disappears”, “Fulfill” And “everything is accomplished”.
One of the epistles states that the old laws do not apply, and in the gospels jesus certainly seems to put little stock in the law as written, so its absolutely not a stretch either way IMO.
Ok but he said lots of other stuff that’s contradictory (John 13:34).
Perhaps more importantly christians haven’t followed the law of the old testament for almost 2000 years. Christians definitely eat swine, shellfish, etc. Just for starters.
part of that is shoddy biased (or just ignorant) translations
the point is that finding direct references is really easy - the people that translated the bible had their own prejudices… arguing from that angle is a losing battle… however pointing out that there are lots of ways to interpret “gods word” (never mind the problematic nature of that) helps reasonable people to find an interpretation that matches what you’re trying to persuade them of
SOME christians find bible passages to support their prejudice, but equally there are some that do legitimately want to be a good person. the former you’ll never convince; the latter might just be in need of a push to move from “the bible says” to an understanding of the general intent because the meaning has been lost
so, as a gay man i agree with the sentiment however
it’s real easy to find references, but part of that is shoddy biased (or just ignorant) translations… part of it is selective interpretation (guess we can wear mixed fabric and eat pork… and what was that about the camel and the eye of the needle? i’m pretty sure it applied to billionaires)… and that’s all with the assumption that the bible wasn’t just written by a bunch of people that saw a way to make a (figurative) buck
finding a statement that supports pretty much anything you’re doing is pretty easy… this is how we got the crusades and witch trials after all, despite thou shalt not commit murder
I’ll be contrary here. It’s not easy att all to make the Bible say what you want. You have to commit to incredible mental gymnastics that involves consciously being malicious, including ignoring specific and repeated passages explaining how the practice (of using the bible as a weaponry or deliberately misinterpreting it) is sending you to hell, while simultaneously posing as a believer to convince the other party that they subscribe to only those concering beliefs truthfully, in an insane torrent of cherry picking that only ignorance flavored psychosis or beligerence can explain. While I’m certain many are just swept into the former, at least a disturbing few are engaged in the latter.
That’s Leviticus.
Leviticus is Old Testament. If you actually read the Bible and follow its teachings, a Christian is not supposed to be following the Old Testament. That’s why it’s the “old” testament and now there’s a New Testament that is supposed to be followed instead of “Old Testament 2: zombie boogaloo”. The Old Testament is there for context. The whole idea of the New Testament is god came down to look upon his world as one of his creations, went “this shit’s kinda fucked” and started handing out new rules to make the place a little less fucked. It’s a real shame that most Christians haven’t read the Bible and depend on old guys in strange buildings to tell them what a book says, world would probably be a lot cooler if these people could be bothered to fucking read.
“Love one another” is not a complicated line full of subtext and what-ifs. You don’t need an old dude at the front of a crowd to tell you what it means, unfortunately there’s very few actually good Christians out there so now we’re here.
Anywhere, here’s a few great lines to throw at shitty people who use the Bible as cover for being bastards:
1 Timothy 2:12
This one was particularly good at convincing my Bible thumping aunt to leave me alone when I told her I was bisexual and an athiest. She started lecturing Bible verses at me and I hit her with Ye Olde “Shut up bitch”
Mathew 6:1-34
Depends.
You could credibly claim that Jesus instructed everyone to follow the old laws still.
“[17]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [18]For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Depending on how you interpret “heaven and earth disappears”, “Fulfill” And “everything is accomplished”.
One of the epistles states that the old laws do not apply, and in the gospels jesus certainly seems to put little stock in the law as written, so its absolutely not a stretch either way IMO.
Ok but he said lots of other stuff that’s contradictory (John 13:34).
Perhaps more importantly christians haven’t followed the law of the old testament for almost 2000 years. Christians definitely eat swine, shellfish, etc. Just for starters.
Indeed. Christianity is designed so one can claim (just about) whatever they like is biblical.
Its a terrible basis for morality or life for that reason.
Shit’s kinda fucked again, could probably go for a newer testament at this point
This is most likely a mistranslation, probably originally meant to say with boys as in minors
i agree, which is why i said
the point is that finding direct references is really easy - the people that translated the bible had their own prejudices… arguing from that angle is a losing battle… however pointing out that there are lots of ways to interpret “gods word” (never mind the problematic nature of that) helps reasonable people to find an interpretation that matches what you’re trying to persuade them of
SOME christians find bible passages to support their prejudice, but equally there are some that do legitimately want to be a good person. the former you’ll never convince; the latter might just be in need of a push to move from “the bible says” to an understanding of the general intent because the meaning has been lost
This is a really popular claim which is not well supported in scholarship.
Regardless, it would be advocating for the young boys to also be stoned, which is still abhorrent.