We have a quite big sample size. Hemophilia is also called “The royal disease” because so many royals had it. Queen Victoria of the UK basically passed the disease on to half the royal dynasties of Europe.
It is the end of an era on that front. All ruling monarchies have toned down the inbreeding. If you want circular family trees these days its mostly pretenders.
No. Not even physicians at that time would try bloodletting a hemophiliac.
What he was doing was stopping physicians from prodding and poking the patient, halt the use of medication hat was also incidentally stopping clotting, and demanded plenty of rest in the form of family prayer sessions around Alexei.
Eugene Botkin wasn’t a boob or actively malicious like a lot of European famous doctors associated with royalty and heads of state of the 20th century (Like Bertrand Dawson who fully murdered George V of the UK or Theodor Morell who was either secret antifa trying to kill Hitler or dangerously incompetent) but he was spending a lot of time taking care of Alexandra, because she was very frail mentally and experienced a lot of bad health some of which has been speculated to be psychosomatic.
It’s been a while since I learned anything about Rasputin, but I thought it was basically that the kid was being made actively worse by his “doctors”, and it was the absence of “treatment” that allowed him to get better. Maybe the bloodletting aspect was someone else.
The greatest “crime” of Alexei’s physicians was giving him aspirin, an analgesic/NSAID that would later go on to be used as an anti clotting agent.
They didn’t know aspirin did that.
The frequent testing and examination was also stressful and did not give him time to properly rest.
But had they tried bloodletting him he would have just died. Alexei’s hemophilia was so bad that minor bruises were potential constitutional crises.
There were definitely people who were bloodlet who would have been better off had that not happened. Pretty much all of them in fact.
But had they tried bloodletting him he would have just died. Alexei’s hemophilia was so bad that minor bruises were potential constitutional crises.
Reading his Wikipedia article is a riot. There was one time when he almost died because the royal carriage he was on vibrated too much or how he got a hemorrhage one time from coughing too much. It really goes to show how much resources was invested toward making sure this kid didn’t die from a nosebleed and how if Alexei was born in a peasant family, he wouldn’t have made it past a month as a baby.
The only sympathy i can muster for the royal family of Russia is over Alexei, and the only credit I will give them is that Nicholas when the time finally came made the decision that Alexei should be allowed to live in peace rather than be tsar.
But yes, had he been poor he would have been dead quite early
Because his stated motivation was snobbery. To quote wikipedia
Dawson said that he acted to preserve the King’s dignity, to prevent further strain on the family, and so that the King’s death at 11:55 p.m. could be announced in the morning edition of The Times newspaper rather than “less appropriate … evening journals”.[1][22] To make doubly sure that this would happen Dawson telephoned his wife in London asking her to let The Times know when the announcement was imminent.[5]
It is thought that what made him better was not letting his blood and that Rasputin insisted on quiet prayer and contemplation (basically lots of bed rest and people not hovering over him).
Eugene Botkin did not use bloodletting at all. Alexei was so frail he almost died when they cut the umbilical cord. They knew that the problem was that he would not stop bleeding. As bad as medicine was in that era, no one was dumb enough to think that the solution to a child not clotting and therefore bleeding a lot was to bleed him.
I love how Jordan Peterson’s daughter has become his Rasputin
Wasn’t Rasputin medically-successful because he wasn’t allowing bloodletting, and the kid got better because he had all of his blood?
No its cause he was magic
lets not jump to conclusions here. correlation is not causation
We need a bigger sample size of royals.
We have a quite big sample size. Hemophilia is also called “The royal disease” because so many royals had it. Queen Victoria of the UK basically passed the disease on to half the royal dynasties of Europe.
I just meant that we should bleed more royals.
I know, but how inbred/insular the aristocracy was is always worth bringing up.
critical support to the nobility for being so very inbred
It is the end of an era on that front. All ruling monarchies have toned down the inbreeding. If you want circular family trees these days its mostly pretenders.
On the other hand I definitely feel better with more blood rather than less, anecdotally
guess how we can prove this? that’s right, bloodletting
hell yeah dog i got all these stone blood bowls just gathering dust
Maybe blood doping too
immortality is at hand
I think you still treat some diseases with bloodletting. I can only think of hemochromatosis though
No. Not even physicians at that time would try bloodletting a hemophiliac. What he was doing was stopping physicians from prodding and poking the patient, halt the use of medication hat was also incidentally stopping clotting, and demanded plenty of rest in the form of family prayer sessions around Alexei.
Eugene Botkin wasn’t a boob or actively malicious like a lot of European famous doctors associated with royalty and heads of state of the 20th century (Like Bertrand Dawson who fully murdered George V of the UK or Theodor Morell who was either secret antifa trying to kill Hitler or dangerously incompetent) but he was spending a lot of time taking care of Alexandra, because she was very frail mentally and experienced a lot of bad health some of which has been speculated to be psychosomatic.
It’s been a while since I learned anything about Rasputin, but I thought it was basically that the kid was being made actively worse by his “doctors”, and it was the absence of “treatment” that allowed him to get better. Maybe the bloodletting aspect was someone else.
The greatest “crime” of Alexei’s physicians was giving him aspirin, an analgesic/NSAID that would later go on to be used as an anti clotting agent. They didn’t know aspirin did that. The frequent testing and examination was also stressful and did not give him time to properly rest.
But had they tried bloodletting him he would have just died. Alexei’s hemophilia was so bad that minor bruises were potential constitutional crises.
There were definitely people who were bloodlet who would have been better off had that not happened. Pretty much all of them in fact.
Reading his Wikipedia article is a riot. There was one time when he almost died because the royal carriage he was on vibrated too much or how he got a hemorrhage one time from coughing too much. It really goes to show how much resources was invested toward making sure this kid didn’t die from a nosebleed and how if Alexei was born in a peasant family, he wouldn’t have made it past a month as a baby.
The only sympathy i can muster for the royal family of Russia is over Alexei, and the only credit I will give them is that Nicholas when the time finally came made the decision that Alexei should be allowed to live in peace rather than be tsar. But yes, had he been poor he would have been dead quite early
True, though if he was born in a peasant family, he probably would have not had hemphilia, let alone a case this severe.
If a br*t royal died at his doctor’s hands, why are we attributing that to malice and not fucking awesomeness?
Because his stated motivation was snobbery. To quote wikipedia
I have no idea
It is thought that what made him better was not letting his blood and that Rasputin insisted on quiet prayer and contemplation (basically lots of bed rest and people not hovering over him).
Eugene Botkin did not use bloodletting at all. Alexei was so frail he almost died when they cut the umbilical cord. They knew that the problem was that he would not stop bleeding. As bad as medicine was in that era, no one was dumb enough to think that the solution to a child not clotting and therefore bleeding a lot was to bleed him.
Makes sense. Yet another L for the Revolutions podcast on the Russian Revolution.