• FaceDeer@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    14
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    9 months ago

    You’re rooting for a revolutionary new technology to fail rather than get better. I’d call that wrong.

    If nothing else, AI is never going to get worse than it is now. So if that’s intolerably bad for you then improvement is the only way out.

    • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      9 months ago

      AI is never going to get worse than it is now

      Is that just a wild assumption, or…? One phenomena that has already been witnessed with AI is that it does in fact get worse if it trains upon it’s own output.

      • FaceDeer@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        9 months ago

        Given that I have locally-run AIs sitting on my home computer that I have no plan to delete (until something better comes along), then yeah, it’s never going to get worse. If all else fails I can just use the existing AI for as long as I want. It doesn’t “wear out.”

        • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          9 months ago

          It doesn’t “wear out.”

          The physical components will, and compatible components for older systems keep getting harder to come across. Computers are not immortal entities. Maintenance of older machines will continually become more labour and cost intensive over time.

          • knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            The models are digital, making copies for safekeeping is easy.

            The hardware is a computer, and computers are general-purpose. The kind that run AI models well at infrastructure scale are rather high end, but are still available off-the-shelf.

          • FaceDeer@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            Computers are general-purpose machines. You can run a computer program on any computer, it may just be faster or slower depending on the computer’s capabilities.

            The AIs I run locally are also open-source, so if future computers lose compatibility with existing programs they can be recompiled for the new architecture.

            I suppose we could lose the ability to build computers entirely, but that strikes me as a much bigger and more general issue than just this AI thing.

            • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              9 months ago

              You can run a computer program on any computer

              Incorrect. Certain programs require certain standards for how the hardware is designed. There are already lots of old programs which can’t be run natively on modern machines, and using software to emulate a compatible environment can impact performance in more ways than just speed.

              • FaceDeer@fedia.io
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                9 months ago

                You’re wildly wrong about the fundamentals of computer science here. I’d be starting from first principles trying to explain further. I recommend reading up on Turing machines, or perhaps getting ChatGPT to explain it to you.

                • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  I actually happen to know a lot about computers, and can even build them from raw materials. They are not eternal existences no matter how they’re treated in popular culture, and data retention as hardware/standards evolve is actually a serious concern that is getting a fair bit of attention in research. One of the more interesting avenues being explored is encoding data in DNA, because humans will always have a reason to want to be capable of reading DNA, but that’s still just theory at this point.

    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      9 months ago

      You’re rooting for a revolutionary new technology to fail rather than get better

      As long as the oligarchs who run and own these AI systems are at the helm, yes I’m rooting for it to fail. Better is in the eyes of the beholder. Because come on, we all know better is going to be defined as better for the oligarchs, not you or me.

    • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      There’s nothing ‘revolutionary’ about a mass theft machine until EVERYONE IT’S STEALING FROM is getting paid out of the thieves’ pockets for what was stolen from them; and the people that run it make no profit from it. Til then, it’s just business as usual out of the west’s necrocapitalists; and your business makes me vomit.