Cali Group, Miso Robotics, and PopID, announced today that they are soon opening CaliExpress by Flippy™, the world’s first fully autonomous restaurant.
You’re so right! Fast food has always been the bastion of quality and class! How dare they remove the traditional exploitive labor model from my sub-prison-quality “food”?!
Plenty of quality fast food places make a point to pride themselves in being fresh and non-frozen. The awful version of those is what you’re bringing up, and people hate them for a reason.
Wendy’s is probably the most famous for that marketing
It has nothing to do with how the food is pre-prepared and everything to do with transit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbVDQKcxg00 is one of their infamous training videos, As you can see during the phat beats portion at https://youtu.be/MbVDQKcxg00?t=269, the burgers come pre-formed on wax paper. Which happens at a factory. Where it ain’t humans who are molding and seasoning the ground beef.
As an aside, mad props to the Wendy’s propaganda game. McDonald’s gives zero fucks and shows the frozen pucks even in their influencer videos. I could not find a single youtube that showed the patties before they were on the griddle until I remembered “hot drinks” and checked for the training videos.
Which… considering their food tastes like a dog shit it out is saying a lot.
No…In N Out, Five Guys, Chick-fil-A (politics aside), Shake Shack, Mos Burger, Elevation, Smashburger…there are TONS, and I’m not even including sandwich shops of the same ilk.
This article is detailing a new type of MacDonald’s which has got to be hands down the worst of the worst in fast food outside of Taco Bell and KFC.
Breading fried chicken patties is pretty trivial. Like, do you think all the chicken tenders people live off of are made by hand?
And so forth. And it is pretty telling that you aren’t even going to claim “real” restaurants where the chains often outright are just microwaving TV dinners
The vast majority of restaurants, fast or sit down, already are run by robots. They are just human beings who have had all the originality and autonomy beaten out of them rather than mechanized arms.
If you just want to ignore the largest part of the point, why would anyone want to listen to you? It’s like saying “Okay, this horrible thing is actually horrible, but HORRIBLE THINGS aside, isn’t it still okay?”
Okay. What is your actual point and what do you think I am arguing (I assume the inverse of the former but…)?
Because, so far, your counterargument mostly highlights a lack of understanding of what the service/food industry actually is and how little “human touch” is already involved in the food the world eats outside of hole in the wall eateries (that often have other, much more uniquely fucked up, labor issues).
One of the big hallmarks of restaurant cooking is “uniformity”. Its the idea that you want every single piece of any given ingredient to be exactly the same. There are entire schools of thought on how to dice an onion. Contrast that with home cooking where even a lot of “real” chefs will acknowledge they prefer to have a somewhat non-uniform chop so that they have texture and flavor variety.
Same with how everyone and their mother loves the idea of a sous vide because having a cabinet full of almost done steaks at varying done-ness levels is good eating.
So for fast food or even the vast majority of restaurants? This is what people want. They have made it clear over the decades and will even bitch and moan if a “human touch” was involved.
You’ve obviously never worked in food service before. Let me throw a few things out there that come to mind with regards to fast food the way described in this article:
Oops, the fry cookbot accidentally dumped too much salt on a batch of fries
Inconsistent mixing of spices into the beef patties before forming
Inconsistent shape of pre-cooked food
A variety of clogging issues in anything transporting condiments
I wildly high number of ways for things to break and cause kitchen fires
The only way you could have a completely autonomous running restaurant as described here is if you remove any and all work related to any sort of quality control completely from the localized loop, so…everything frozen. If you just want to reheat lackluster and frozen food, stay at home. The novelty of having a robot-made meal is the only draw and can see here, and how long do you imagine that lasting? That’s essentially all those awful Sysco Foods restaurant chains are about, and their demand has been in decline for decades now.
Yes… the robot is more likely to dump too much salt on a batch of fries than the underpaid worker who is likely on at least one illicit substance to make it through the day.
As for the rest? Increasingly that is done at corporate by, you guessed it, a robot. Because (no idea on the youtuber but the process looks about right, just a lot cleaner and less frantic), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRlYugm69Y is how modern fast food actually works.
Because those variances actually do matter and human beings are a lot more likely to have problems maintaining consistency. And too thick/thicc of a patty and you likely have a pink-ish center and some boomer loses their god damned mind over not eating shoe leather at a burger king.
You are correct regarding cleaning issues, which is where this almost always falls apart. And that is true whether we are talking about the factory where the food is made BUT NEVER FROZEN!!! or the restaurant itself. But that needs far fewer workers than to actually run the assembly line itself. Same with having someone on call with a fire extinguisher (although, not having humans in the loop means it is a lot easier to automatically dispense food safe, but not human lung safe, gases that can even be pumped out and theoretically reused if the human isn’t in the loop… and you maybe slip the fire marshall a benji).
I assume the hill you are going to die on is t hat it is “not completely automated because there is still one person sitting around” and I really don’t care to have that discussion because it isn’t one. But I do strongly encourage actually watching training videos (and even just promotional youtubes) for how fast food works. Workers are already being dehumanized to the point of bringing the definition of “robot” into question and “Three shakes of the seasoning shaker” is just as easy to tell a human versus a robotic arm.
I’ll add on. If you think Billy at McDonald’s is tasting every batch of fries to make sure they are perfectly seasoned, I have a bridge to sell you. Ignoring the hygiene issues with that, their manager would immediately lynch them for wasting food and slowing down the process. And, Billy probably does a hundred or more batches of fries a day. They wouldn’t be able to taste shit after the first hour.
Instead, the logic is that if your fries are improperly seasoned you will probably be ten miles away before you realize. And even if you dine in, odds are you have enough social grace to not be the person who cuts in front of the line and insists to speak to the manager because your fries don’t meet your high standards.
Yes, cause nothing says delicious food like “Robots made this”.
You’re so right! Fast food has always been the bastion of quality and class! How dare they remove the traditional exploitive labor model from my sub-prison-quality “food”?!
Plenty of quality fast food places make a point to pride themselves in being fresh and non-frozen. The awful version of those is what you’re bringing up, and people hate them for a reason.
Wendy’s is probably the most famous for that marketing
It has nothing to do with how the food is pre-prepared and everything to do with transit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbVDQKcxg00 is one of their infamous training videos, As you can see during the phat beats portion at https://youtu.be/MbVDQKcxg00?t=269, the burgers come pre-formed on wax paper. Which happens at a factory. Where it ain’t humans who are molding and seasoning the ground beef.
As an aside, mad props to the Wendy’s propaganda game. McDonald’s gives zero fucks and shows the frozen pucks even in their influencer videos. I could not find a single youtube that showed the patties before they were on the griddle until I remembered “hot drinks” and checked for the training videos.
Which… considering their food tastes like a dog shit it out is saying a lot.
No…In N Out, Five Guys, Chick-fil-A (politics aside), Shake Shack, Mos Burger, Elevation, Smashburger…there are TONS, and I’m not even including sandwich shops of the same ilk.
This article is detailing a new type of MacDonald’s which has got to be hands down the worst of the worst in fast food outside of Taco Bell and KFC.
Ignoring that mcdonald’s “tier” fast food make up a significant portion of the world’s restaurant ecomony:
And so forth. And it is pretty telling that you aren’t even going to claim “real” restaurants where the chains often outright are just microwaving TV dinners
The vast majority of restaurants, fast or sit down, already are run by robots. They are just human beings who have had all the originality and autonomy beaten out of them rather than mechanized arms.
If you just want to ignore the largest part of the point, why would anyone want to listen to you? It’s like saying “Okay, this horrible thing is actually horrible, but HORRIBLE THINGS aside, isn’t it still okay?”
Okay. What is your actual point and what do you think I am arguing (I assume the inverse of the former but…)?
Because, so far, your counterargument mostly highlights a lack of understanding of what the service/food industry actually is and how little “human touch” is already involved in the food the world eats outside of hole in the wall eateries (that often have other, much more uniquely fucked up, labor issues).
Maybe the robots cook it with plenty of “confidence.”
I mean, I’m a human person I swear, but I could make you some disgusting shit.
Why not?
One of the big hallmarks of restaurant cooking is “uniformity”. Its the idea that you want every single piece of any given ingredient to be exactly the same. There are entire schools of thought on how to dice an onion. Contrast that with home cooking where even a lot of “real” chefs will acknowledge they prefer to have a somewhat non-uniform chop so that they have texture and flavor variety.
Same with how everyone and their mother loves the idea of a sous vide because having a cabinet full of almost done steaks at varying done-ness levels is good eating.
So for fast food or even the vast majority of restaurants? This is what people want. They have made it clear over the decades and will even bitch and moan if a “human touch” was involved.
You’ve obviously never worked in food service before. Let me throw a few things out there that come to mind with regards to fast food the way described in this article:
The only way you could have a completely autonomous running restaurant as described here is if you remove any and all work related to any sort of quality control completely from the localized loop, so…everything frozen. If you just want to reheat lackluster and frozen food, stay at home. The novelty of having a robot-made meal is the only draw and can see here, and how long do you imagine that lasting? That’s essentially all those awful Sysco Foods restaurant chains are about, and their demand has been in decline for decades now.
Yes… the robot is more likely to dump too much salt on a batch of fries than the underpaid worker who is likely on at least one illicit substance to make it through the day.
As for the rest? Increasingly that is done at corporate by, you guessed it, a robot. Because (no idea on the youtuber but the process looks about right, just a lot cleaner and less frantic), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRlYugm69Y is how modern fast food actually works.
Because those variances actually do matter and human beings are a lot more likely to have problems maintaining consistency. And too thick/thicc of a patty and you likely have a pink-ish center and some boomer loses their god damned mind over not eating shoe leather at a burger king.
You are correct regarding cleaning issues, which is where this almost always falls apart. And that is true whether we are talking about the factory where the food is made BUT NEVER FROZEN!!! or the restaurant itself. But that needs far fewer workers than to actually run the assembly line itself. Same with having someone on call with a fire extinguisher (although, not having humans in the loop means it is a lot easier to automatically dispense food safe, but not human lung safe, gases that can even be pumped out and theoretically reused if the human isn’t in the loop… and you maybe slip the fire marshall a benji).
I assume the hill you are going to die on is t hat it is “not completely automated because there is still one person sitting around” and I really don’t care to have that discussion because it isn’t one. But I do strongly encourage actually watching training videos (and even just promotional youtubes) for how fast food works. Workers are already being dehumanized to the point of bringing the definition of “robot” into question and “Three shakes of the seasoning shaker” is just as easy to tell a human versus a robotic arm.
I’ll add on. If you think Billy at McDonald’s is tasting every batch of fries to make sure they are perfectly seasoned, I have a bridge to sell you. Ignoring the hygiene issues with that, their manager would immediately lynch them for wasting food and slowing down the process. And, Billy probably does a hundred or more batches of fries a day. They wouldn’t be able to taste shit after the first hour.
Instead, the logic is that if your fries are improperly seasoned you will probably be ten miles away before you realize. And even if you dine in, odds are you have enough social grace to not be the person who cuts in front of the line and insists to speak to the manager because your fries don’t meet your high standards.