Summary
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, in a private meeting inadvertently broadcast via a hot mic, warned that Donald Trump is seriously considering annexing Canada to secure its critical mineral resources.
Speaking to business and labor leaders, Trudeau claimed Trump’s administration is keenly aware of Canada’s resource wealth and sees annexation as a means to control it.
The comments, cut off after staff realized they were audible, underscore growing economic and political tensions.
He also stressed the need to diversify trade, noting, “Geography means we’re always going to both benefit and be challenged by trade with the United States.”
So they invade canada and its world war 3? All nato alliey against the us which is like 80% of nato, that doesn’t look good.
Lol that would probably look like the Winter War where Finns were vastly outnumbered but still won because they know how to survive the winter. I hope the americans wear body cams when they invade. It will be very satisfying to watch the Rocky Mountains literally kill them man vs nature style.
And Canadians are so fucking brutal historically in war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0230d9mp5WY
Also not sure if relevant but Canadian true crime seems to be way more often gory and needlessly violent compared to your typical run of the mill murder stories.
Not to disrespect the amazing achievements of the Finn’s in that war, but they lost, and lost half their country.
Incredible job not to lose the whole thing ofc.
Australians are pissed. We have been right with the yanks in “America 1st” for decades and we get looked over again
This is just big talk for the cameras. The logistics of such a thing. Are so ridiculous and insane that if it was actually attempted. Canadians would basically become slaves with no rights… The Country would be torn apart by Resource fiends. They wouldnt even know what to do with 40 million people under a different legal system, so that would imply hundreds of thousands of people would end up just getting murdered or dying of neglect as society collapses
And that would open the door for massive waves of violence. What ISIS, AQ, etc did to America, That would absolutely be on the table.
This goes for any country. But if a country that’s supposed to have been our friend and ally for generations decides its time for Imperialism, and wipes out their neighbor like that in some putin hairbrained map drawing fantasy… Let me just say that Treachery is the lowest circle of hell. And people would have absolutely zero qualms after having everything taken away from them, in such a betrayal, zero qualms about targetting the civilian population of the aggressor.
and abandoning the whole somber story of how life would be over for 30-40 million Canadians, let me say that this act would 101%, without a doubt, Cause a US civil war. This is a Red line. And if there isn’t an eruption of mutinies, coups, revolts and violence in the US as it was enacted, Well, in that case, the Nazis already won.
Our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed Canada
Trump must realise Canada one of the founding members of Nato and an attack on one is an attack on all.
Im not Canadian I should add but yeah this kind of thing really will not go well for anyone same goes for Greenland.
A blue state with the population of texas, lets see how that affects congress.
Canada will be treated like Puerto Rico to ensure this doesn’t happen…
Monkey Paw: Supreme court rules that the federal government get to draw the maps. You get a totally gerrymandered State of Canada, Magats remain in power forever.
Ontario gets one congressional district, Alberta gets like 10
This is what I’m saying.
It would be worse for canadians, but better for Americans which would make things better for both in the long run.
Only a crazy person would trade decent healthcare for the right for every idiot man child to buy a gun. Its a horrific deal for canadians.
Good. I’d like to see Canada and Mexico become parts of the US.
I would kill and die in a war with Americans if they tried to force us into becoming Americans. I would rather die and take as many of you with me as possible than become an american
I like your fighting spirit. I look forward to calling you my countryman.
Guarantee I’d be sabotaging shit on this side to help you guys win. Every sensible American loves our Canadian neighbors and respects their sovereignty.
make no mistake, that line gets crossed. its over for everyone.
The US will enter a civil war. And it probably wont end for decades Canada will be destroyed. Gobbled up in the same civil war south. NATO will cease to exist. Europe will be in peices. The war with Russia will expand, many of europes countries will refuse to honor treaties and end up fighting each other until some vague lines are drawn between Russia and the resistance.
As as US citizens here i will join your side
Yeah I was gonna say let me cross over real quick. I’m American, so I’ll bring my own guns as long as you can provide some healthcare.
Violence in exchange for healthcare is celebrated by a lot of people.
No you wouldn’t.
Minnesota will likely join you. And if you don’t know our state history, don’t fuck with Minnesota.
Can we get a hint?
I’m American and I’d be 100% on your side, there is every reason to not be in the US, you don’t deserve our fate.
And as an american I applaud you for it. This is the dumbest timeline.
How would that even work. It’s an an entire country made up of provinces. We have our own provincial governments. Canada is fucking huge. How would they enter? The border spans the whole width of the continent. Do they even have a big enough military to even do that?
None of this even makes sense, it sounds like the biggest dumbest joke any president has ever came up with, besides building a wall along the opposite border, which may have started but never even finished, or turned out way too expensice to be realistic or something like that, what ever the fuck happened.
For Canada’s population they are a remarkable country, but even so, for Canada to win a war they don’t need to fight, they only need to walk backwards and wait for winter.
Okay not to downplay the fucked up reality of this situation, but does it bother anyone else that the Orange Idiot thinks Canada should be just one State? And one hostile to him and his party at that, out of spite if nothing else.
i knoe Alberta is probably red, what about the other providences? Any Canadians want to chime in? What would the hypothetical blue/red breakdown be?
I live in rural AB and I’d be surprised if 1 person in 10 had anything good to say about trump. Most people know that he’s a lying shitbird, and want nothing to do with him. And frankly Danielle Smith is sliding fast since her toadying reaction to his tariff threats.
Our conservatives are left of your democrats. We don’t have any red.
PPC is our political party similar to republicans and they didn’t get any seats last election.
The problem is that the PPC is politically a nonstarter, so they hitchhike on the Conservative party.
the whole reason the PPC exists is because Maxime Bernier threw a hissy fit that he wasn’t selected to lead the Conservative party. and it was instead given to Erin Otoole or Andrew Scheer, (I honestly forget which one)
PPC has effectively re-integrated with the conservative party as other factions of the CPC have effectively embraced MAGA/Trumpism/Quisling Collaborationism. making PPC irrelevant and redundant.
AB would join before ANSCHLUSS.
SK red.
ON swing state, it’s rust belt all over again.
Maritimes votes along with New England.
MB is dealing with mosquitoes.
BC blue.
NL swing but mostly blue.
PQ 3rd party, but generally very strong blue. I don’t see PQ annexation happening though. It’d sooner fight for independence from either.
You must be in the East if you think like this.
The BQ would change their slogan to “nous autres, on l’a l’affaire!”
I’m an outsider.
Do you think the military will comply with an order to invade Canada? Usually the higher ups are pretty sane people (in the West).
Legally. Trump is Commander in Chief. the readers digest version of most people’s understandings is they’re supposed to follow his orders to the letter.
practically. who fucking knows. I would predict military bases start shooting at themselves as factions fight for dominance in towns, cities, bases, and states. it would effectively be a civil war. there would absolutely be a coup attempt by a faction of the military.
The amount of chaos this decision would cause would be on the same scale as World War III officially breaking out. America would be in total chaos while it tries to launch an invasion of Canada, (Whether it be the Little green men method of just rolling troops in and the defenders choose not to shoot at them. or it be the Feb 2022 method where Canada formally declares itself to be in a war state and the state attempts to resist, IE a shooting war then insurgenct)
this would absolutely cause a civil war in the states, like I said, but Im not even gonna attempt to theorize how it would turn out. the only thing I know is the world would be in flames.
Even if the higher ups somehow agree (which would be insane), the actual troops are the ground are 50% POC or minorities. I can’t imagine them going through this hatred by the whitehouse and still continuing to follow orders. There will be a break in chain of command at some point.
Also peep the military subreddit on Reddit they are talking about breaking chain a lot, whether they will it’s still to be tested but it’s definitely indication of where things lie.
Member when this was just a south park joke?
They’ll just make up some “logistical difficulties” as an excuse to refuse the order.
This quite a historic geopolitical paradigm shift. It’s been implicitly assumed that the two countries are forever allied out of mutual interest.
Trump is trying to speedrun the destruction of the US
Thwre is never a permanent ally or permanent enemy in the context of countries and alliances.
USSR was an “ally” until the the axis lost, then immediately became an enemy overnight. Japan then went through the occupation and changed from an enemy into an "ally of the US.
China (ROC), was once an ally of the us, then CCP took over and became an enemy, then the “Opening Up and Economic reforms” happened and now the US and China are sort of “frienemies”, but now with trump’s tariffs, its enemies again.
Heck, the US revolted against UK, and now they are sort of allies all the way throught the world wars until now with trump’s isolationism.
There is no “allies” or “enemies”, just temporary co-operations and competitions
Trump is using Putins playbook. Constantly threaten to annex your neighbors. Neighbors take those threats seriously and start to build up a standing army at the border. Convince populous that the neighbors are threatening the nation and are preparing for an invasion. Yada yada yada. Start a “special military op“ and invade neighbor.
Putins playbook wasn’t exactly that.
he already had control of Ukraine, the problem was his capos were idiots, pissed off the people. and the people kicked out his capo with torches and pitchforks.
he then declared all future ukrainian governments illigetimate. and his actions have been based on a vague idea of “It all used to be one country 300 years ago because of imperialism, and the current government is not legitimate”
That argument doesn’t work with Canada and the US. Yes, the US tried multiple times to take British North America, but failed.
Effectively, America already does control Canada through influence and assertion. but Canada is still a sovereign country. Smooth brained fascist and imperialist Chuds, just want America to look bigger on a map. they think that if there is ever a war with China, they’ll need Unfettered access to all materials in grasp. (which doesnt make sense based on their tariffs against taiwan, those tariffs imply they’re going to let China take taiwan, therfore no war with China)
at the end of the day, its dumb chuds who treat world politics and the hundreds of millions of peoples lives affected by it, like its a game. and they’re angry with canada because america has believed for decades that they’re in a culture war, and canadians are the opposition because they’re on average, much more liberal than american liberals.
He is Putin’s pawn
Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) and warned about Nazis too and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.
Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.
I mean Trump has literally forced both Canada and Mexico to move a standing army in the thousands to the borders now, so I see he is not wasting time with this casus belli.
Ya know, even with all the apt comparisons to Hitler and Putin, one thing I didn’t have on my bingo card was him actually trying to expand US territory by invading and annexing other countries. I thought that was one big difference.
Everything else I could imagine is now in progress: Disregard/end of the Constitution and rule of law–check. Dismantling of democracy into an authoritarian dictatorship–check. Mass deportations and concentration camps–check. Full-on implementation of Project 2025–check. Blatant corruption, lawlessness and self-enrichment for trump family and oligarchs–check. Implementation of Christian Nationalist policies–check. Dismantling of federal agencies and beneficial aid programs–check (so far DOJ/FBI, USAID, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Dept of Education).
As yet unchecked, but only a matter of time (it’s only been 3 weeks!): dismantling of additional agencies and programs: SNAP, medicaid first, then social security, medicare, all the stuff they hate. Use of military against civilians, requirement to carry ID papers with proof of citizenship, sham elections, and more!
Unanticipated by me: Musk given free reign to dismantle whatever parts of the US government he feels like, and now invasion and annexation of other countries and territories!?! In the sights: Panama Canal zone, Greenland, Canada, and Gaza. Could this really happen?
Could this really happen?
No. Just like most of his agenda so far, he’s dead serious and wants to do it, but he keeps finding out he’s far too inept to pull it off.
Hitler was evil AF, but he was also smart and charismatic, and he knew how to fill a government with supervillains.
Maximum effort, trump might start amassing some military on the border. When that happens watch the other news for shit they’re trying to sneak by.
knew how to fill a government with supervillains
Isn’t that what’s happening right now?
Also one thing Hitler and his Nazi friends have over the Business v2.0 plotters: genuine combat experience. They may be shitty people, but they also got blooded. They were willing to kill and be killed.
A fair chunk of the military minorities that Trump has alienated are veterans, and more importantly, know they will die if he got his way. On the other paw, we got Proud Boys, ICE, and the Xitler Youth. That bunch, as a general rule, are cosplayers. I suspect this what it would look like if they went up against minority soldiers:
I hope you’re right. I fear you’re not.
He couldn’t even shut down USA aid. All he needed to do was have a semi-intelligent person walk into there and see what the consequences would be for shutting it down. He’s consistently just playing checkers on a chess board and having to roll every move back.
He’s going to piss a lot more people off and make a lot more problems but he does not have the competency in himself or his team to pull off an operation like that against an actual trained country.
Don’t get me wrong, he will eventually shut a bunch of very important shit down probably inadvertently.
Maybe we’ll lose a third of the population to an illness or something on his watch.
I’m a bit more worried overall that he’s now going to permanently be in power than anything. I don’t think the US has it in them too kick him to the curb, and I’m definitely not going to count on the military backing us in a coup.
But he did shut it down. The office was cordoned off, the flag and signage removed, administrative employees placed on leave and overseas employees ordered to return home. Leaving massive amounts of food and medicine to spoil on ships.
Yes, a judge has ordered a “pause” on the shutdown until a hearing takes place, but we haven’t seen them go back to work so far, since it’s Friday–we’ll see what happens Monday. Point is he’s going ahead and doing illegal things and daring someone to stop him. My concern is whether they’ll ignore court orders. Because it’s not like there’s a way to enforce them other than he chooses to comply.
Yo, this won’t be an annex. It will be an invasion if he really wants it, same with Greenland. You think Canada will just roll over? Imagine if fucking Mexico decided to take back Texas. (At this point, please do, I could use some new leadership here)
I’m so sorry Canadians, yall just up there doing your thing and these assholes just trying to fuck your shit up.
It just reminds me of being bullied at school when I was young. Same shit different day.
I’m in the GTA. I’m ready to die for my country. Are Americans ready to say the same when their president gives them the order?
Rest assured you do not want to fuck with us Canadians. We are deeply embedded in your country. You would see terrorism the likes of which you have only seen in your nightmares. 9/11 will seem like happier times.
Seriously as a Canadian I want them to try.
GTA
Greater Toronto Area? 🙅♂️❌️
Grand Theft Auto? 😄👌✅️
One of those GTAs prepares you for war much better than the other one.
If y’all ask, our economically developed states will fight on your side. Just promise us you’ll adopt us afterwards. We’ll do it for Tim’s
As an Australian, I have no idea how my country would respond to this officially. The US alliance is basically our entire defence strategy, and we have fostered that by supporting the US in every conflict they’re involved in. On the other hand, we could never go against another Commonwealth nation. The cultural weight is too great.
Perhaps the best we could offer is assurance that any Canadian visitors (refugees) to Australia can probably overstay your visas for as long as necessary. For some reason we only care when immigrants arrive by boat. Just follow all the Aussies when they start leaving your ski fields.
A lot of Americans would come fight right alongside you. People are pissed.
This is the main reason I’m sure that a hot war is not going to happen.
Picture how chaotic and dysfunctional the US was in the latter years of the Vietnam war, and that was at least theoretically a war against the great evil “Communism”, when the people being killed were “Gooks”, who were barely human (at least according to racist propaganda).
Any war on Canada would probably start with maybe 30% support, and only go down from there. Could you even trust American soldiers to follow orders and kill Canadians? Probably some would obey, definitely not all. At a minimum, many would be shooting to miss, rather than carefully aiming.
As soon as Canada was attacked, you’d have Canadians streaming across the largest land border in the world into the US to engage in guerilla warfare – think the “Troubles” in Northern Ireland, except with much less of a difference in accent. They’d probably be joined by plenty of Americans too.
And, while the US military is very experienced, the US public hasn’t had to deal with war on their territory since the Civil War, generations ago.
I won’t discount the possibility that the US drums up support for a war by staging a false flag attack or something. But, even with that, I think a majority of the US wouldn’t want to risk American lives trying to kill Canadians.
I’m in Minnesota, I’d take up arms against people trying to invade Canada. Fuck those fascists.
Let’s go Canada!
No worries folks, any infiltration violence in resistance isn’t likely to be directed at random civilians.
A lot of vandalism, though. And some judicious sniping would be likely.
Fun, totally unrelated to absolutely anything fact:
Three of the top ten longest confirmed sniper kills were Canadian.
It’s basically our military specialization
Everywhere snipers are a thing, the best ones are always the ones that grew up hunting. There’s a lot of really wild areas with really big game in Canada, it makes sense that some people are going to be very good with a rifle and scope.
A lot of us grow up around long guns. Handguns are relatively rare.
You have my understanding and support. Canadians please take care of yourselves.
You had our back in Afghan/Iraq, you have brothers and sisters in the US that will help.
It will take the unity to sabotage any Nazi/maga plans.
Fuck yeah brother, I’m with you
I’m building explosive filled toques.
No need to invade. The US can just tamper with our elections enough to get people in power that’ll just roll over and give them everything
I don’t know who downvoted you, but whomever did go check out Danielle Smith in Alberta. She sure likes Trump, and Ford over in Ontario used Roger Stone as a campaign advisor.
Trump has created a problem for the Cons, though:
“The start of a tariff war with the United States is changing voters’ moods. It’s harder to talk about a broken Canada when there’s a growing sense of patriotism,” another Conservative source said.
Our Cons need bogeymen to rile up our Centrist voters. They rail about borderguards or evil carbon taxes (that are given back to the vast majority of Canadians) or whatever, only now we’re getting Nationalist Cons rising up, despite their favourite leader Harper being a vanguard of International Conservatism.
We have an absolute issue up here with our Con voters, (when Léger asked Canadians about the Biden-Trump match up in the fall of 2020, 41 per cent of Conservative voters sided with Trump.) and they are extremely susceptible to Russian propaganda:
From the recent polls I’ve been seeing, Trump has apparently reminded a lot of conservative voters that they are Canadian. When asked how we should respond to Trump’s tariffs, “equal retaliation” and “escalation” combined for like 80%.
This whole thing seems to have poked that button we have where we can watch a hockey game, see someone start a fistfight over a perceived slight, and consider that a perfectly reasonable response.
Yeah, a reminder to Canadians that our blueshirts (equivalent to brownshirts etc) were rounded up and interned during WW2. They got back to work somewhat right after because the country was still freakin racist, but it took until recently for actual fascism-with-Skippy to pop up again.
Currently, Trumps team is just trying to get something boiling so that if/when polievre gets in power, the situation can be “resolved” without bloodshed.
I’m definitely curious to see what happens in the polls when we find out who the Liberals choose. I don’t get the impression that people really trust Poilievre to handle Trump.
Canadians are not as pathetic as us Americans, who’ve been rolling over for 50 years.
They will fight.
After 20 million scared civilians are neutralized and pacified… it will look like a fait accompli.
and then will come the car bombs, the mass shootings, the assassination’s.The only thing stupider than Russia invading Ukraine and expecting not to deal with a massive insurgency. Two countries that are culturally very close but had extremely bad history with each other as a cycle of abuse, is America trying to do the same thing with Canada,
Treachery is according to the divine comedy, the worst sin of all. Canada doesn’t have the boon of bordering other allies trying to help them in an imperialist war from their supposed brothers. but being stabbed in the back will sure motivate people to do things they wouldnt dream of against people they used to call friends. Yes, I’m referring to the “T” word.
also. theres no way Canada gets attacked, and it doesn’t cause a revolution or coup in the US. The first moves into Canada, would effectively be the first moves of a 2nd Civil War.
