• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    We’re past the point of speaking out.

    I would like for you to consider why the US constitution outlines free speech in its first amendment, and the right to bear arms in the second. The reason why is not that different than the principal of charity, or the social contract of tolerance. The first amendment outlines and sets speech, language, as the first step in challenging authority. But implicit in that principal, is the idea that governments are precluded from not listening, or not being available to that speech. It is literally in why the US constitution is structured the way it is, in putting limits and restraints on governments, not people.

    We have devolved long past the point where free speech is respected by the US government, under any interpretation of the words.

    The second, is an enshrining of the right to to the use of violence when the first is no longer being respected.

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      As awful as he is, I think he serves a good example of the opposite being true. It can serve as a warning.

      “If we give any President this authority, someone like Donald Trump could use it if they ever got elected.”

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    I’ve said this in another post, and I’ll say it again.

    Where are the resources? Where are the leaders? Where are the groups?

    People are scrambling right now because there are a million people screaming and no one leading nor taking direction. We need courage, focus, and precision to win but everyone is acting spineless, scattered, and aloof.

    We need every single person online using TOR and/or a VPN. We need an underground railroad. We need protocol to fight against ICE raids. We need places to find weapons (yes, even in blue states because a lot of people still don’t own). And most importantly, as our greatest civil disobedience, we need to stop paying federal taxes. I would even like to go as far as a general strike.

    So how are we going to get this and more together? Or are we instead going to sit and cry about this?

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      I’m donating to Sanders, I donated before and volunteered before for his presidential runs. He’s not perfect by any means but I’m putting money I barely have there. I want to volunteer again, but I’d also look at AOC for organizing and raising money she is very capable. If you want to cross the line to real effort, there’s some good CIA booklets you can find online about simple sabotage. It’s worth looking into.

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      Well, I look at this way.

      Trump is going to fuck me and my family no matter what.

      The only way Trump is not going to fuck you is if you make over $250k a year, are a white male adult, and are willing to kiss the ring.

      Eventually I will be on that list of people to oppress/disappear because of who I am, not what I’ve done or will do. It’s more than likely you or your family members will be too.

      Because while they start with the outspoken, when opposition is silenced, they will move on to crush the meek with a horrible glee. In the end, it won’t matter one whit to them what you do or say unless it gets in their way - it’s about what they want to do to you.

      So let your inner Luigi roar. They’re coming for us anyway. You have a chance to speak NOW. Use it. They haven’t won yet, and they won’t if enough of us speak out.

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      Fight to you die. People will care a lot not when it escalates. You want them to show their colors as soon as possible fascism heavily depends on people slowly boiling alive until it’s already to late.

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        Not buying American products. Supporting political candidates that support Ukraine (that’s more relevant in other countries, in the UK support for Ukraine is pretty much universal even in the extreme right-wing parties, UK doesn’t like Russia).

        Presumably you want me to charge the Bastille though.

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          So you’ve boycutted Coca Cola, and vote how you would’ve anyway.

          You are making my point for me.

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            You’re right I should be a rude prick online that’ll really help.

            So what radical actions are you taking comrade sarcastic dick?

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              First one, and this one is very important: be violent towards Nazis. If someone in your near vicinity talks nazi trash, punch them in their fucking faces. We will not tolerate their bullshit in our streets.

              Secondly, keep yourself informed, to help keeping other people informed. Not about what the Trump governments latest distractions are, but about stuff like special elections, where Democrats have a chance of taking Republican seats. They just flipped a historically unopposed conservative Senate seat to be democrat.

              And third, campaign for progressives who are trying to unseat “moderate” democrats who vote with republicans in America. I might never even set foot in America myself, but the consequences worldwide if trump successfully turns America fascist are insane.

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                I am all for punching nazis.

                However, I think what seems- key after seeing how people can be manipulated into voting against their own interests and instead for things like Brexit and MAGA… people can be really fucking stupid - and if they’re convinced that actually it’s this other reason they’re being told is the cause of their problems…. Them receiving a punch to the face means they shut off from any possibility of reasonable explanation and deprogramming. Idk. I just think what’s happening right now is a lot more nuanced than your vitriol presents. I don’t think we can punch our way out of this problem.

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                Good for you, but as I already said I’m not American, I’m not in America, so I can’t vote in your elections and I can’t talk to republican voters because there aren’t any here. There are plenty of right-wing voters in the UK but they have completely different priorities to US Republicans, they’re not equivalent.

                So what else can I do being so remote?

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                  but as I already said I’m not American

                  then go talk about tea and scones somewhere else

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                  Dude I’m Danish. Plus, i never said anything about talking to Republican voters…

                  I talked about helping to keep the democratic voters informed about special elections where they have a chance to turn the power in government.

                  You can do that online no problem.