• huppakee@lemm.ee
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    I don’t disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn’t ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It’s not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven’t?

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      how they treat their own people

      oh you mean lifting 800 million out of poverty? or did you mean building 48,000km of high speed rail. or did you mean leading the world’s investment in clean energy and hitting climate targets ahead of schedule?

      here’s some more stuff you should read but won’t because you believe lies to protect your racist worldview

      https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

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      Oh man, eliminating poverty, what a crime. You do realize that the U.S. still has the largest prison population per capita right? Maybe think about how the U.S. treats their own people as well?

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      You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.

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          can’t wait to hear about how the London School of Economics and Johns Hopkins University are full of communists

          London School of Economics research concludes an Ethopian case study with the discovery that “Chinese Investment In Africa Has Had ‘Significant And Persistently Positive’ Long-Term Effects Despite Controversy.” Dr. Deborah Brautigam from Johns Hopkins University concurs:

          The Chinese ‘Debt Trap’ is a myth. The narrative wrongfully portrays both Beijing and the developing countries it deals with.

          Our research shows that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota. A Chinese company’s acquisition of a majority stake in the port was a cautionary tale, but it’s not the one we’ve often heard. With a new administration in Washington, the truth about the widely, perhaps willfully, misunderstood case of Hambantota Port is long overdue.

          or does it only become communist when LSE gets quoted here you loser cracker

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          How is forgiving debt, debt-trapping? Hell, most of the Belt and Road doesn’t even tie their economy specifically to China, as it is funded by collateralized dollar denominated US debt that China owns. If anything, it is the US attempting to debt trap China (if someone owes you ten dollars that’s their problem, if someone owes you a million dollars that is a you problem) and China sharing the burden with other countries, in order to increase overall production and create a shared world economy, you know that thing that you liberals always claim to be a big ol’ fan of.

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            The belt and road initiative is the US dept-trapping China? Wow, you’re brainwashed.

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              Learn to read. What I said was that if you are so concerned with debt-trapping, then the U.S. is a far larger culprit with much larger abilities to do so. If anything, the belt and road alleviates U.S. attempts to debt-trap China.

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              lol you have the depth of a toy that says a thought-terminating cliché every time its string is pulled

              The concept of “brainwashing” was invented — by a CIA agent posing as a journalist — precisely because Westerners needed a way to reflexively dismiss the phenomenon whereby their own troops were being persuaded of communist ideas during communist captivity:

              The idea of “brain-washing” can be credited to Edward Hunter, a CIA-funded writer and editor, who in 1950 started writing articles and books on the subject. His thesis was that Red China and the Soviet Union could control the minds of their respective citizenry — which explained how susceptible Americans captured on foreign soil would be.

              from https://redsails.org/brainwashing/

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              All government spending that’s backed by USD is effectively a debt trap that leads back to the US. You could join the Hexbear Super-Imperialism reading group to learn more, because you live in a free country that allows people to write and publish that kind of text (nobody tell them where the edition we’re reading was published)

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          Your brain is straight up drowning in western capitalist propaganda lmao

          Like we know you don’t have a deep understanding of any of this yet you just spit out the company line every time

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          I think you don’t even know what a debt trap is. It is certainly not the practice of forgiving debt, renegotiating debt plans, or even just eventually taking the assets provided when a country or other debtor defaults.

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      The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people

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        Yes, western countries never built hospitals. You are totally right.

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          In Africa? That is actually correct. Western countries do not build hospitals in Africa. The most they do is build pharmaceutical production facilities that are later bombed by their airplanes.

          The West only built hospitals in Africa before WWI when they were treating the continent as full-blown colonies. The hospitals were built in colonial trade centers for colonists, not for the indigenous people. Neocolonialism does not partake in this practice, it is premised on neoliberalism. It, at most, issues debt with anti-worker and anti-sovereignty strings attached that ends up damaging thr country’s infrastructure further. It is important to understand that the OECD countries do not, generally speaking, operate by capital investment in infrastructure of imperialized countries. They are parasitic.

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          I’m sure the guy who believes Adrian Zenz’s bullshit knows more than all the global south countries which country has helped build infrastructure there

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      China has dramatically improved living conditions for its own people over the previpus 50 years. This is in stark contrast to virtually every other non-OECD country subject to imperialism. It is even in stark contrast to many OECD countries who have spent the last 50 years neoliberalizing their economies, making life overall much more expensive for their people despite the spoils brought to them by imperialism.

      What do you think of when you imagine the ills China has done “to its own people” and have you spent more than 10 minutes actually researching the topic(s)?