• zerakith@lemmy.ml
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    17 days ago

    They don’t disappear if capitalism disappears. I agree with you capitalism needs to end in order to deal with them but there are hard issues that we have to deal with even with capitalism gone.

    Even if the causes ceased we would still be left with residual emissions and degraded natural systems to try and deal with and a lower EROI society to do it.

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      They’re “hard issues” because we don’t have a centrally planned economy, we have to rely on the market to provide solutions.

      Through a combination of marshaling the forces of production to build a renewable infrastructure and strict fossil fuel rationing during the build-up phase I think we could get the crisis under control within 5 years.

      … I’ll admit that’s just vibes, though.

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        They’re “hard issues” because we don’t have a centrally planned economy, we have to rely on the market to provide solutions

        As humans are very bad a predicting the future, centrally planned economies come with so many added problems that market based solutions are frequently more realistic.

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          Every corporation is centrally planned.

          I recommend reading The People’s Republic of Walmart. Businesses have figured out central planning, there’s no reason it can’t be done for nations.

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              Walmart isn’t a federation, it’s very centrally planned. It’s also larger than a lot of nations.

              The only thing missing is a military.

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                16 days ago

                Are you really this poorly educated in economics that you do not get that for profit businesses and nation states function under completely different realities?

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                  Last I checked, businesses and nations exist in the same reality and follow the same physical laws.

                  Central planning works and you have been lied to by those same businesses that don’t want to be nationalized.

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                    Last I checked, businesses and nations exist in the same reality and follow the same physical laws.

                    They function under entirely different realities when it comes to economics. If you need this explained to you then you shouldn’t be making definitive statements about anything related to economics in any regard. Microeconomics and macroeconomics exist for a reason.

                    Below is a link to MIT’s open coursework providing free classes on specific subjects. You might consider looking into intro micro and macro.

                    https://ocw.mit.edu/

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        17 days ago

        I get the sentiment and I wish it were true.

        Some of the issues stem from material and energy limitations regardless of human organisation structures. Fossil Fuels are stored sunlight over a long period of time that means that burning them has a high yield and that’s given us a very high EROI society (one where there’s an abundance of energy for purposes that aren’t basic functioning).

        I recommend reading The Collapse of Complex Societies by Tainter who discussing the energy limitations of society. Its before our understanding of energy limitations of technology and he’s by no means a leftist but it is still a good introductory text to it.