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      I’ve read similar before. I’ve heard that the UK’s Conservative Party (Tory’s) are more aligned with the US Democrats in their outlook than the US Republicans. The Tory’s are generally considered our right wing (there are smaller more right wing parties though).

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        For a minute in Canada we would say “if Obama were Canadian, he’d be the greatest conservative PM we ever had”

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        The argument we usually see in the US is some nonsense like “you’re comparing the Democrats in America to the left globally, you can’t do that! They’re to the left of Republicans so they’re the left!”

        …ughh…

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    There is no two-party system, it is a uni-party, anything else is smoke and mirrors.

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      A quick perusal of the voting history of both parties destroys this ridiculous opinion.

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        Smoke and mirrors. Both parties represent Capital, voting is often negotiated pre-vote, including dissenters.

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          You can repeat “smoke and mirrors” as many times as you want. Doesn’t change that the parties vote VERY differently. Doesn’t change that one party got me affordable healthcare when I was young when the other one basically told me to go fuck myself. Doesn’t change that one illegally attempted to overturn an election and the other didn’t. Doesn’t change that one stripped women of a federally protected human right while the other didn’t.

          There are so many examples of the parties not being the same that there’s no other way to look at your opinion than as ignorant to the extreme.

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            They both serve Capital, and neither represents the people. The DNC is regularly pushing to the right, and willingly allows the rights of women to be stripped. They are opportunists, not agents of positive change. They only care about getting donations and serving the Capitalists that fund them. The GOP is no better.

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        On the political compass subreddit they called them watermelons - green on the outside (libertarian left), red on the inside (authoritarian left). I realize they’re not really left at all, but the authoritarianism is baked in.

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          To be clear, the Political Compass is a measurement of what the Heritage Foundation believes, not to mention the numerous flaws within the testing mechanisms themselves.

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          Liberalism and fascism are the same ideology in different economic and social circumstances. That’s why the saying goes “scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds,” the underlying system supported by both is heavily based on the private ownership of the means of production.

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          Fascism is liberalism’s plan B, as confirmed by History and by liberal theory itself.

          Historically, look at Latin America (I am Brazilian). All over Latin America, when people elected leftist (not even communist) governments within the institutions of liberal democracy, the elite (with US support) staged a coup and installed a military dictatorship, effectively saying: no, the people are not allowed to choose socialism. So we hereby abolish democracy.

          And Jacobin covers the justification for this under liberal theory itself:

          So, important liberal thinkers insisted as early as John Locke, you can’t tax the rich without their consent. If you do so, you give the victims of these policies a good reason to rebel and use violence against the usurpers. Liberal politics thus had a dictatorial option inscribed in it from the very beginning. And so it became a dogma to assume that the main task of politics is to protect property, and its principal sin to inveigh against it. But of course, that is a very narrow definition of what politics can or should do. And we suffer from that confinement to this day. In a typical Western democracy, you can do many things — as long as you refrain from infringing on private property. [1]

          In short: liberal theory itself gives absolute priority to private property (over the means of production). If it conflicts with democracy, democracy is tossed out the window.

          I always clarify “over the means of production” when attacking private property. There is this widespread confusion that communist thugs are going to invade your house and confiscate your bike. AFAIK, communists don’t do that.

          Fun fact: in 1989 Brazilian elections, neoliberal Collor terrorized the people saying that Lula would confiscate everyone’s savings. With infamous support from Rede Globo (massive right-wing biased media corporation), Collor won, then quickly moved to confiscate everyone’s savings. Lula was elected in 2002, 2006 and 2022, and did nothing of the sort. Sadly, Lula is not communist, but social democrat.

          1: https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

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      The thing about pissing your pants is that those cleaner will think you shouldn’t piss yourself, and those dirtier will think you should shit yourself.