And their planes made with scrap parts are still flying around.
Edit: A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy, reminds me of an article i read this week.
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/657978/reddit-ai-experiment-banned
I’d be more likely to believe that Boeing tried to kill him if he didn’t die
Well I certainly won’t be purchasing any Boeing products in the near future.
I mean, good luck getting across the country without any airplane tickets.
Ah yes “the country” that everyone lives in
It’s not that difficult. Just takes some extra time.
Just fly an airline that doesn’t use Boeing that much like Frontier, Avelo, Hawaiian Airlines, JetBlue, Spirit.
About a week before OOP’s post the openAi whistleblower also died mysteriously https://apnews.com/article/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji-death-283e70b31d34ebb71b62e73aafb56a7d
A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy
Reminds me of the Epstein thing. It could be AI. But people do love their conspiracy theories, too.
who I do remember is Brock Turner, yes that guy… the rapist Brock Turner. who now goes by the name of Allen Turner. that guy
You mean the pathetic rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner (also a pathetic rapist)?
There was a police investigation.
They just didn’t investigate Boeing about it because the police investigation determined they weren’t involved.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations don’t match your expectations. That’s why we have investigations.
The military industrial company a person was whistleblowing against wasn’t investigated in the mysterious death of that person.
Yeah that’s called not doing a proper investigation.
I need to step in here with a major correction, John Barnett was not Whistleblowing. That’s not what the court case was about at all.
No, the court case was for the wrongful termination, which was a result of his whistleblowing.
This is an important distinction, because the whistleblowing was done. John Barnett had nothing more to offer authorities, because he had already turned over all the evidence he collected. That particular case was a done deal years ago.
John Barnett then sued Boeing over his wrongful termination, and some apparent black balling. (i.e. retaliatory rumormongering to prevent John from working in aerospace).
John lost the lawsuit. He then appealed that decision, and it wasn’t going well.
This is the situation that led to his suicide. Boeing 100% drove a man to kill himself. But no, they didn’t fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
no, they didn’t fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
The possibity will certainly frighten future whistle-blowers.
No.
What disincentivizes future whistleblowing is the prospect of never being able to work in your field ever again, because your boss, or rather his boss, talked to his counterpart at the other aerospace companies, so now no one will hire you.
You then drown in debt, and die penniless on the street, years or decades later. Depending on your luck.
Simply killing someone is messy. You might get caught. Ruining a man’s life to the point where he kills himself? That’s disturbingly easy.
Again, the lawsuit was not over John Barnett’s whistleblowing. That case had concluded a few years earlier, with Boeing being found in violation of some safety standards. They got a fine and John Barnett got fired. Except Boeing didn’t “Fire” him, they forced him to retire.
So John Barnett sues Boeing for wrongful termination, and loses. Boeing has some very expensive lawyers.
John appeals the loss, and that’s what this court case was about. He was giving testimony about how Boeing retaliated against him. And he obviously thought that he was going to lose again.
What disincentivizes future whistleblowing is the prospect of never being able to work in your field ever again
That’s is a standard disincentive across US industry.
Knowing that a company hounded their previous whistle-blowers to death (no matter the method) is and additional disincentive specific to Boeing.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations
That doesn’t logically follow. It’s like insisting OJ wasn’t guilty of murder, because the criminal case didn’t stick. But he was guilty of “wrongful death” because the civil suit did stick. What kind of conclusion do we draw when the police fumble the bag and private investigators continue to turn up incriminating evidence?
And even then, you can both have an investigation (even one that turns up culprits) and still have a cover-up.
There’s even a term for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”[
Law enforcement would never lie.
Well of course not, they exist to protect and serve!
Protect and serve...
… the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite, that is.
protect and serve (not the people though)
Protect and Serve Capital and those who have it.
I mean, fuck Boeing and the death still seems suspicious. But to claim that there was no police investigation is just lying. Suspect a cover-up or frame or whatever if you want, but seems like there was a pretty thorough investigation: https://www.wdbj7.com/2024/05/18/police-release-investigation-report-boeing-whistleblower-death/
An unpopular opinion, but I’m not buying a conspiracy either. The guy wanted to hurt Boeing, had just finished testifying and saw the writing on the wall that Boeing was going to walk, and decided to kill himself as a last stab at bringing attention to it. Worked like a charm too.
This is not an unpopular opinion, the people here are just unhinged. It’s the other side of the same qanon coin.
It’s only unpopular because every time someone dies that’s even tangentially associated with some corporate fuckery the internet instantly calls it an assassination. It’s absolutely stupid, but the hive mind seems to be geared to desperately want everything to be a conspiracy. No better than the conservatives making vaccines a conspiracy.
If only we had the refrence of past experiences to better predict how corporations act in the future.
Chiquita banana hired paramilitary death squads to secure their bananas and they were never punished.
Hell, just a few years ago the US couped Bolivia so Elon could have cheap lithium.
The bigger conspiracy nut theory is ignoring observable reality to make corpos the good guys.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
In no way shape or form do I view corporations as “good guys”. They are greedy, destructive on multiple levels, self-serving, cold, and often straight up evil.
Nobody here has observed shit except a someone died associated with a court case against a corporation. Everything here calling it a conspiracy is conjecture and made up opinion.
The hiring of paramilitary death squads and what banana republics are is a completely different and tragic issue that extends far beyond what a single “hit” on an individual is.
Don’t suck on the words if you don’t want them in your mouth lol
You picked a side
You picked a side
Yeah. They picked truth and honesty over sensationalism.
Spreading lies about corporations doesn’t help. They’re bad enough anyways; we don’t need to make up stories about them to paint them in a bad light, they’re perfectly capable of painting themselves.
The braindead people out there who fight against you understand that playing devils advocate means you are advocating for the devil.
It’s sad that the college educated are incapable of understanding this.
Equating whistleblowers being killed to vaccine conspiracies shows how well people have been brainwashed into state obedience. Any narrative goes.
Evaluating everything as a conspiracy shows how well people have become incapable of critical thinking and applying cold logic and skepticism to both sides of the equation. Any narrative goes.
In this case there is no benefit of the doubt.
What do you think happened with Epstein?
He was not killed.
He did kill himself.
My suspicion is there were deliberate steps to take him off suicide watch and allow him the unsupervised time and means with which to kill himself. He knew he was fucked and his life was over forever coupled with scores of people wanting him dead, along with being raked over the coals to roll over on rich and powerful people. But apparently that’s not enough for people, they have to manufacture a murder.
But no, he was not murdered.
And the cameras all suddenly failed and the guards were sleeping right? Putting the fed in fediverse.
CIA: “Mission Accomplished”
there’s proof it wasn’t a suicide in the article you’ve linked there… well, it’s not the same as having the complete police report, buuut:
finger was still on the trigger when officers attempted to remove the gun from his hand. A police report states no fingerprints were recovered from the gun.
so, he wiped down the gun and bullets for fingerprints, and then shot himself?
sounds a lot like someone else shot him or put the gun in his hand and made him shoot himself (like by threatening his family)… and a shiny silver revolver is great for collecting fingerprints….
could’ve been an omitted detail… or soaked in blood?they mention his fingerprints were found all over his notebook, so that seems pretty inconsistent….
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i’ll just go smoke my Sherlock Holmes pipe now….Let me get this straight. You think somebody else wiped down the fingerprints on the gun, shot him, and then stuck his finger on the trigger without thinking about creating any fingerprints? Does seem like someone half-assed the wrong step of that operation…
Somebody wiped it. Even if the victim had prior to the act, there would still be his prints. So it seem to have been wiped after the shot.
seems like it…
You’ve misread the passive language here. ‘no prints were recovered’ can mean that they tried to find prints and couldn’t, or that they never even bothered to try getting prints off the gun.
I’ll admit, this irks me in mystery shows. Those don’t seem like something you’d reliably get.
“Sir, just as you predicted, we found the kitchen knife in the third drainage grate of the northern side of the city sewage system, wrapped loosely in five layers of cheesecloth, wadded with human waste. And, we’ve performed a DNA and fingerprint analysis on the handle. The prints perfectly match your suspect, sir!”
It could also mean no print were recovered other than his obviously which they may have just not bothered to mention
Yeah that’s the obvious answer here, his finger was on the gun so his prints were there too…
Also, people need to understand that not everything you touch will 100% have your fingerprints.
i didn’t, i noted that the presence of prints on the notebook implies an effort to obtain fingerprints on things. the gun description is particularly good for collecting prints, and i know all sorts of random things could explain that otherwise… i do find it curious, however
like by threatening his family
Exactly. Boeing investors/management maybe didn’t kill anybody. They simply asked him if he loved $familyMember1 ($age, $location, $bestFriend), $familyMember2 ($age, $location…)…
i sure wouldn’t like to see anything bad happen to family[1…n]
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
Chat,
Did the Boeing whistleblower who deliberately told his family and friends that he wasn’t suicidal commit suicide?
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal.
That’s like the first thing you learn Suicide Awareness.
Do suicidal people reach out to their freinds and family to specifically tell them they aren’t going to commit suicide and nothing else?
You’re not going to be able to push your narrative here.
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal. And yes, they do reach out to friends and family.
It’s also important to note here, John Barnett was not giving any sort of testimony that could harm Boeing. That’s not what the trial was over,
No, the trial, or rather the appeal, was over Boeing’s retaliation against John Barnett for his past whistleblowing. Whistleblowing that resulted in Boeing receiving a fine.
That particular case was done and over. John Barnett had nothing more to add.
John Barnett sued Boeing for the wrongful termination, and other retaliation including Blackballing him (talking to other Aerospace companies to make sure they wouldn’t hire him), John lost the court case to Boeing’s high priced lawyers.
John then appealed, and gave testimony in court in front of the appeals judge.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been at a low point like that. Where you think you’ve hit rock bottom, and you hinge your hopes on just one thing going right, only for it to go horribly wrong.
I’ve been to that false rock bottom, and found the depths hidden below it.
Boeing didn’t need to hire some contract killer to pull the trigger.
John Barnett was fighting his wrongful termination for seven years. That’s how Boeing got John to pull the trigger. They drove him to suicide, didn’t need to go any further.
That’s what you conspiracy nuts miss. Boeing ruined a man’s life, and that’s the part that you’re ignoring. Or maybe you heard someone rightfully say that Boeing killed a man, and you thought it was meant literally.
His own family filed a lawsuit against Boeing that they were responsible for his death by causing his anxiety and depression. Is this the moral equivalent of murder? Probably. Is it the same as pulling the trigger? No. Why not? Because truth, and clarity in speech matter.
Do Boeings actions help deter future whistle-blowers? Yes.
Finding the correct label seems irrelevant.
What about tha other one a few weeks off from that one?
How are we supposed to keep track of all these Boeing whistleblowers suiciding themselves all over the place?
Let alone the ones they just maim.
Do you actually know anyone suicidal? They usually don’t tell people. They often don’t know themselves. They changed their mind. They’re depressed. They’re anxious. They’re not well. They die suddenly. Everyone is surprised. That is how it goes.
Not telling people is a heck of a lot different from being about to blow the whistle on a major corporation and telling people “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”.
How did “one family friend named Jennifer who can’t believe it” turn into “all his family and friends”
How often do suicidal people reach out to a bunch of their friends and family just to specifically tell them they are NOT going to commit suicide?
That didn’t happen. One grieving family friend said that he said that. John Oliver would have a field day with you people lol. Boeing has hurt and killed a lot of people. They do this like corporations do - by cutting staff, evading regulation, buying politicians. Boeing is liable for great harm. But focusing on these conspiracies rather than getting to the root of the problem – that capitalism enables great harm by eroding our society – isn’t helping.
So Corporations will break any law for profit besides murder?
I trust the guy’s family more than the police lol, so do most people
You’re really bending over backwards to push this narrative.
What “narrative”? It’s on the Wikipedia page. It’s not a narrative, it’s what happened. Like… I really don’t care that much about this specific case. It’s more about the principle, the erosion of truth, the meaninglessness of facts. It’s honestly the same type of thinking that makes right wing conspiracists and I don’t want to capitulate to it. Focusing on a a salacious and improbable event downplays the real “evils” of capitalism, the smaller but cumulative things: the selfishness, the greed of everyday people and how profit motivated corporations enhance and multiply that. Contrapoints (Natalie Wynn) just did a fantastic video on conspiracies that touches on all three points. I would recommend it to anyone.
Focusing on a a salacious and improbable event downplays the real “evils” of capitalism
That’s the thing. These events are not just “salacious and improbable”. These events are actually happening in front of our eyes and they need to be taken seriously. These events are happening as a direct result of capitalism, and not calling it out will just allow the right to set the narrative on those issues.
These conspiracies come as a direct result of capitalism. Everybody can plainly see when Boeing murders whistleblowers that it is because of money/their image.
Failure to talk about these conspiracies is a failure to point out the specific failures of capitalism.
Also I assume you actually meant conspiracy and not conspiracy theory.
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
No shit, Sherlock. Always have. How does this surprise you?
But one ceo gets killed and the polic and fbi go all in
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they’re just doing their job. protecting the interests of big business and the wealthy.
Jeffrey Epstein. Imagine how many people whose names you haven’t heard just randomly committed suicide one day. Or had an accident. Or just disappeared.
Victoria Giuffre more recently in regards to Epstein.
she also said quite publicly that she’s not suicidal and she would never do that to her family, and if that happened she was suicided…
Yeah I know. Sadly this doesn’t get any bigger media representation.
I had thought she was in renal failure and her ex husband wouldn’t let her see her kids
Chiquita overthrew a government and everyone still loves their bananas 🤷♂️
Right!? We literally have a store called Banana Republic.
the most interesting part to me is that nowhere along the line did anyone mention just how interesting it all is. you know the real bad shit has started when the press shuts up and universities bend over and one of the richest people in the fucking world has to re-think his pricing displays because it pissed off the King.
edit to add - he put a fucking tax on british tea without congress. that’s a taxation without representation. on british fucking tea.
This is honestly a subject I get annoyed about. The US has ‘whistleblower’ protections but it’s really not there. This isn’t a black-op opp, it’s a failure of protections/proper compensations for blowing the whistle. Imagine you’ve spent your whole life dedicated to one field of engineering. You’ve now sacrificed it to blow the whistle. It’s not fair, nor is it just, but that’s what happens.
Boeing has done so much wrong that it honestly feels negligent to focus on a perceived assassination. And it directs attention away from how whistleblowers could be protected
Well shit, that doctor who phrase about the human super power of forgetting rings even true day by day
