The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.
Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔
You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.
Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.
I think there’s plenty of Americans that are just fucking sick of both parties and government overreach even if they don’t agree on all left vs right issues.
How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party? All these fucks that scammed Americans by talking about removing unnecessary regulations literally only removed the necessary ones and created some new ones in addition. I vote civil libertarian. Our slogan can be just respect civil rights and liberties, and stay the fuck out of everyone else’s business.
Can’t do shit with the winner takes all, first past the post abomination that is the US system. We need hundreds more senators, absolute defeat of gerrymandering, a dozen more sc justices, ranked choice and the abolishment of the electoral college.
Because the parties aren’t the main problem. The entire system they’ve built is the problem.
We don’t need reform. We need revolution. The only real purpose of our involvement in the electoral system at this point is recruitment, and showing people that the system cannot be reformed. I agree we should continue to push third parties and try to create energetic campaigns behind them, with the primary goal being to force the parties to rig it and show their hand.
I think it depends what you mean by revolution, bc DOGE/Yarvin/Thiel and the Heritage Foundation believe what they’re doing is revolution, but really it’s just removing protections for people and creating new regulations that cement their power grab.
They also will scream non stop what they’re doing is to increase transparency, but it’s actually just distracting people by pointing the finger at others and hiding what they’re really doing in the shadows
It’s what the Heritage Foundation did in Russia in the early 90s. Removing protections bc you think they’re inefficient only allows the people they were protecting you from to swoop in and take control just like they were hoping for
ADAB?
ADAR
All Democrats Are Republicans
I wouldn’t say “all” (but I wouldn’t spend too much time arguing against someone who does).
The organization is completely corrupt, but I think a lot of individual Dems sincerely care about people
Jenkins, did you hear that young master Hogg expects us to actually help the Plebs?! Egads, didn’t anyone explain to him that that’s a bit? Jenkins, I need you to get in the private jet and pay Schumer a visit-- no, Jenkins, thirty minutes is much too far to drive-- and also pass along this stock tip. We need to catch this Hogg before the Plebs start getting ideas, like expecting us to work, ha ha.
Finally! The DNC is finally taking action against the…oh never mind.
Don’t ever ask for progressives’ vote again. We’re done voting blue no matter who.
I really like the idea of a tea party style takeover. That seems much more actionable and realistic.
No such thing.
The tea party was just billionaires covered in AstroTurf. They bought the Republican party. It’s asymmetrical warfare, because the left doesn’t have billionaires that profit from our policy goals.
Not to be a doomer, I do think Democrats can be pulled left (kicking and screaming) but I’m not sure how though.
Tea party was partially real. But it was basically petite bourgeois: car dealership owners and the like. This was also the main component of Jan 6th. These people aren’t a huge constituency but there are a lot more of them than billionaires.
Then you get what we got last time: the fascists gain power and make things worse for the masses, the Dem politicians continue being rich and are shielded from the consequences. You only benefit the fascists and hurt yourself if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils.
I think people who are informed but specifically stay home because of Democratic policy positions or vote third party is a relatively small number of people.
It seems to me like far more people just sit out because the Dems are useless. When Harris said the economy was good, people wrote her off as out of touch.
We can argue about whether people should vote for harm reduction all day everyday (like we have been doing). But the fact remains that if Dems don’t present a vision for the future that excites people to come out for them, fascists gain power.
You’re correct. But if someone doesn’t support the fascists and says they’re not voting for harm reduction, they should be called out for it. Don’t help the fascists and then complain when they win.
Why wouldn’t a progressive want to vote blue though? Of the two most likely candidates, they are the least fascist.
Unless you’re going the accelerationist route, it makes sense to Vote blue.
The DNC won’t improve things because their goal is to maintain the status quo
With these actions they prove their goal is stagnation, not progress.
The thing about voting for the “least fascist” is you’re still voting for a fascist.
The energy is better spent preparing to remove the fascists. Get a gun, get organized with your community, build up shared resources, and prepare for the shoe to drop.
But like, you should still vote while you’re doing all that
For a capitalist party? Absolutely not. You’re giving them consent to govern on your behalf, and reinforcing their legitimacy.
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You need to find a local socialist group to get involved with. Hopefully that will help deprogram you of the Democrat propaganda you’ve absorbed.
If you get more involved, you’ll quickly realize that the Democrats are more active villains than you currently realize, and are the primary party we’re having to battle.
Already in the social labor party, but the restrictions of a 527 organization seem so… broken? The political party can’t endorse any specifc candidates, pay for campaign expenses, etc. You’d need a PAC for that.
After all of those hurdles, the idea of a third party being viable across all states seem very far away, and with FPTP systems it is very unlikely that it would be able to do anything before people are put in camps for being LGBTQ+ or calling out fascists for what they are.
By not fighting the fascists they allow them to run rampant. This is accelerationism.
It doesn’t matter if the party doesn’t change. We can keep sleepwalking into it or crash into it, the result will be the same. We must change the Democratic party to avoid disaster.
Neoliberals are neither progressive nor leftist. They are protectors of right-wing ur-fascist policy. It’s past time we accept that the DNC is owned and operated by self-serving, rich neoliberal scum and start finding actual progressive, leftist alternatives.
Why should we reward democrats for taking our votes and betraying us?
That’s your problem, thinking you’re rewarding Democrats somehow by voting for them rather than doing damage mitigation for the country. They’re rich and will be fine regardless of who you vote for - you’re only making things worse for yourself by not voting for the lesser of two evils.
You say “Thats your problem” like you think the DNC can win without these people you talk down to.
They can’t. But the fascists sure did thanks to their help.
How? We’ve voted blue no matter who for decades and look where it got us.
Maybe democrats should do something to earn our votes.
And if they don’t, who will be the ones suffering for it? It won’t be them.
Oh, okay, you win. Voting blue no matter who is obviously the path to a progressive utopia.
It’s more likely to be than letting fascists win, although a lot of work would have to be done primarying the corpos and getting progressives in there. That’s not even a possibility when the GOP has power.
So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?
Primary them sure. Try and snag it back. But you won’t turn your next vote red. You know that. And they know that. And I sure as fuck won’t do it either. The DNC can rot. But…
You can and should blame the two party system sure. But if you don’t primary and win. Well. We’ve seen that before again and again.
I’m a progressive that will vote blue again. Reluctantly. Emphatically so. But I will.
The posturing of principals means nothing in our political reality. And it pisses me off. But reality doesn’t care about your feelings.
Vote third party, it’s the only way to end the Duopoly.
Honestly, maybe it’s time for progressives to take over the Republican party primary and start moving them left .
I’m down with this. Let progressives fuck up another party for a change.
I thought progressives didn’t vote.
They don’t. And then they go around trying to convince everyone else not to vote also.
I no longer vote for neoliberals or for folks who receive aipac money.
Period.
I won’t vote for a republican either.
If they want my vote they have to support policies that I do.
Period.
Blue no matter who is how we got here.
Blue no matter who is how we got here.
No, because Trump wouldn’t have won if that were the case.
I don’t think so. There’s a reason the democratic party is polling worse than Trump. They’re snakebit, even their own voters are disgusted with them. They’ve decided that their optimal strategy for winning national elections is pointing out (accurately) that the other guy is a Nazi and literally nothing else, and they’re still losing, that’s how fucking snakebit they are. There’s nowhere left to go at this point, the plan seems to still be “ratchet right to peel off two more moderate republicans and ask people to be satisfied with just voting against the Nazis for the rest of their lives”, which is a plan that has now failed 2/3 times.
Vote blue no matter who, think about that phrase for a second. That’s basically saying “shut up, don’t think, just do vote for any POS we put out and be happy about it”. Doesn’t seem like very good marketing to me. Do you think the Republicans have to tell their voters to hold their nose, suck it up, and vote no matter how much they hate the candidate? This is investing in loser energy, it’s a shit strategy that’s basically engineered from the ground up to lose.
They suck, no doubt about it, but fascists suck way, way more. “Vote blue no matter who” is effectively what you have to do in a two-party system, but in reality not voting red is what’s important. And yes, “Vote for the guys who are less bad” is a terrible message and contributes to the fascists winning. But voting is vital (even now, if only at a more local level), and not voting for fascists is extremely important.
Voting for whoever will cause the least harm to the country is the right thing to do. “I won’t vote for the lesser evil!” does not accomplish this and actually goes in the opposite direction. But people are emotional and not practical beings overall, so the guys who are better at appealing to emotions win and we all suffer for it.
Primary them sure.
Democratic primaries are kabuki. Trying to oust Hogg is just the latest demonstration.
So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?
Silly wabbit. Progressives don’t vote.
If democrats want our votes, it’s time for them to start earning them.
The fewer MAGAs that vote the better IMO, democratic candidates shouldn’t make concessions to people like you.
“Concessions to people like me”:
- Public transport
- public education
- public healthcare
I’m not in dire need of any of those. But I’m not a selfish dickhead.
“if i dont get my twains then i wont stop trans ppl from losing their healthcare”
good thing you’re obv too young to vote anyway
But reality doesn’t care about your feelings.
Yeah so… uh… That kinda goes both ways. I’ve made this argument before so I’m just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just…
Have you ever heard of gambler’s ruin? It’s the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:
In statistics, gambler’s ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.
Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.
To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.
Your metaphor is flawed. Opting out does not save you anything because voting doesn’t cost you anything in the first place. If you got a free bet, why wouldn’t you take it?
It’s more like we’re on a sinking ship and bailing water. The ship is going down if we don’t patch the hole, but bailing water still buys us time so that we can make more attempts to patch the hole. Except in this metaphor, bailing is something that takes maybe an hour of your time once every two years.
Dems aren’t helping the ship stay afloat. They’re stopping the people from patching the hole because they’re “powerless”. Dems and Reps aren’t the same because they’re equally as bad, they’re the same because they’re on the same team. They’re both shameless fascists.
ok but one of the shameless fascists isn’t deporting innocent people to a prison in el salvador or denying women healthcare
Opting out does not save you anything because voting doesn’t cost you anything in the first place.
The bet here isn’t voting; it’s elections. An election is an essentially random process where depending on the result things change either for the best or for the worst. If you somehow quantify how far America is from fascism (say, in terms of how many Republican terms it would take to go from the situation at hand to full-blown fascism) then you can model elections as a bet where you’re forced to participate and don’t get to choose your stake. Again, under this model (which should be accurate since the conditions for its application are all there) you will end up at fascism unless you change the game you’re being forced to play so the odds are in your favor rather than the fascists’. I also want to point out that this isn’t an analogy; it’s a model. I’m simply taking a principle that exists in one field, making some simplifying assumptions and applying it in another. What I outlined here isn’t a “what if” analogy; it’s one step removed from a mathematical certainty.
It’s more like we’re on a sinking ship and bailing water. The ship is going down if we don’t patch the hole, but bailing water still buys us time so that we can make more attempts to patch the hole. Except in this metaphor, bailing is something that takes maybe an hour of your time once every two years.
I have no problem with the act of voting itself. My problem is with… everything else that happens during election season. The whole idea of unity with liberals (aka Democrats) against the right is evidently a failed preposition, and the reason for that failure is specifically that the Democratic Party is invested in the game’s present state and will force you (or, more accurately, already forces you) to cooperate with them to maintain the game before you’re allowed to be “united” with them. To borrow your analogy, the Democrats are the ship’s captain, who is helping you bail water but only on the condition that you don’t patch the holes (and yes, there’s more than one). You’re not even supposed to point out that neither you nor him are patching the holes. Instead, you and the rest of the crew are supposed to just keep bailing and ignore the rising water level. And to be clear, the bailing isn’t just one thing you do every two years; that doesn’t begin to capture the opportunity cost involved. Your bailing in this analogy is voting drives, canvassing and other outreach on behalf of the Democrats; it’s political donations; it’s suppressing criticism of the DNC (attempts to get the captain to patch the damn hole) in the name of unity against the far-right. The actual voting is only the end of this long string of actions that sap energy, money and credibility from the people who would otherwise be out there actually patching the damn holes.
Okay analogy over, back to the real world. The DNC should’ve been fucking flayed alive when they tried to push a pro-genocide ex-DA on Americans, and instead all they got was progressives hushing down other progressives in the name of “unity”. I’m sure you can think of all sorts of examples of this in action, but here’s one to drive the point: the progressive reaction to the Uncommitted Movement. This was a large movement that had gained momentum in an attempt to push the DNC from proto-fascism and into the sanity, and what did they get from not even liberals, but progressives who should have been their most ardent supporters? “Hold your nose and vote for her.” Not a nationwide solidarity to force the Democrats to back down on their most unpopular policies, not even tepid support or apathy, but active, emphatic opposition. That’s not the stuff of democracy; that’s a dictatorship where you roll a dice every four years to find out which boot will step on your neck until the next election.
I should note: I’m not advocating for passivity or apathy here. This shouldn’t be a reason for you or anyone else to stay home and give up; it should be an impetus to organize, embrace solidarity between workers and take on the capitalists and their supporters. Act, but act according to your own conscience, not according to the DNC’s agenda. This is especially important right now because the Democrats won’t save you from fascism even if they wanted to, but even if democracy and the DNC both survive Trump, next time you be on the side doing the flaying and not the side practicing cannibalism on behalf of your blue donkey overlords.
This exactly. I have voted for every progressive candidate that has come up on the ballot. And yet every single time the middle of the road Democrat wins. Because that’s where the DNC puts the money. And in the general I always vote for whatever Democrat has won the primary. And quite frankly I always feel sick that I voted for somebody that I wouldn’t vote for if I had a better choice.
So I think I’m going to choose not to vote in the general if the progressive I vote for doesn’t win. I’m tired of a democratic party that is more interested in protecting their position than actually doing their job.
And yet every single time the middle of the road Democrat wins.
It couldn’t be that the middle of the road Democrat is simply popular among the majority of the voting population? Nah couldn’t be. Everybody in my family loves when I rant about the benefits of communism at Thanksgiving.
That’s funny.
You know what’s funnier, and not in a ha ha funny way. The way I bring up progressive candidates to people and they have no idea who it is. It’s not about popularity. It’s about how the media, that is controlled by both parties, only seems to report on the chosen few.
I think you should still vote just to show you’re an active voter that they failed to court, but vote for independents, 3rd party, write in, whatever.
Honestly, I think the only solution for progressives is to elect enough independents that mathematically, while a minority, MUST be courted by the establishment parties in order to secure their legislation. Though that won’t do anything for legislation that both establishment parties fully agree on, that’ll still get rammed through.
But what are we even talking about? These are all legal constructs. We’re living post rule of law now. Dictator just flat ignoring courts.
Yeah, that’s basically the situation in Australia. The crossbench is needed to pass anything in the Senate, but Liberals and Labour routinely join forces to pass some truly disgusting shit (most recently an election reform that would reduce funding to the smaller parties, and a takeover of one of the biggest unions in the country).
Like another poster said casting a blank ballet sends much more of a message than not voting at all.
the message:
Exactly this. Stop giving the DNC money. Whenever you can send the message to the officials. No progressive platform and change? No removal of incumbents? No money. No vote.
It isn’t _just _ on us to do something. If they too don’t wanna see the fascists win, then it’s time for them to eat humble pie and realize their policies and their positions for the past 30-40 years brought this pig to prom. They have to pass the torch.
Fascism might be defeated again but it will come at the cost of neoliberalism finally dying as well. There’s very little options of anything else working.
I think we need a different color to vote for. Definitely not green, because that party is for shit. But Democrats are functionally useless at this point.
I think I would rather throw my vote away on somebody who challenges the status quo in a progressive way under the Democratic socialist party (or just the plain socialist party) rather than vote for some goddamn Democrat who’s going to uselessly wring their hands and then go home to their million dollar mansion and cry about how unfair people are being to their useless ass.
Voting blue hasn’t helped cause they think it’s your only option so they don’t have to actually do anything to earn your vote other than being “not a Republican”.
FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
I’M NOT VOTING FOR ANOTHER MODERATE ASSHOLE
Your maga friends thank you for your service 🙏
No where they sit their ass at home so the red hats don’t come for us for voting for dems who won’t even do a fucking thing to combat this. If I’m going to go on record as being against the regime it better be for a good reason, and this ain’t it
These shit bags will never learn
People will never learn if they can’t make it to the second paragraph:
As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.
The old DNC ran a ahitty vice election that broke its own rules.
The current DNC decided via comitte the best way to handle it was to redo the vote. Which is not a big deal for the DNC.
Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?
It’s a matter of interpretation as to whether any rules were actually broken. The DNC has four VPs, two are women and two are men. Given the current controversy and the current crisis of confidence in Democratic leadership, the damage this will do to both the party and public opinion of DEI policies should be weighed against whatever “damage” this procedural issue allegedly did.
The fact that this issue started moving months ago is irrelevant. The decision is being made now, and nobody with a brain is going to believe that this isn’t being done, at least in part, to protect useless incumbents that don’t belong in the Democratic party.
I mean it’s clearly just a pretext. We don’t have to pretend to believe their bullshit reasoning.
Bro the Dallas Mavs had a 1.8% chance to win the draft last night.
1.8%.
I’d cut my own dick off if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the draft wasn’t fixed in some way.
Same smell of bullshit here.
That was a wild ride of an analogy, but I’m here for it.
It might be technically valid, but it’s literally being used as an excuse to get rid of him.
Ken Martin(DNC chair) has been whining about Hogg for a while. Being real upset that he’s trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202
And he doubled down a few days ago: Giving Hogg an ultimatum to take a “neutrality pledge” or step down.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/10/hogg-dnc-chair-ultimatum-00340272
Hogg refused, so now they’re pulling this one out.
Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?
They knew about it last week, before they gave him an ultimatum. Meaning they were holding it back and waiting for his response. They’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and wanting to follow the rules. If that was the case, they would have gone ahead right away.
It might be technically valid,
It’s literally valid…
The old DNC was outright corrupt if we’re being honest. Completely inept if we’re giving them the best plausible view.
The vice chair election didn’t follow DNC rules, it’s like 450 people, redoing it isn’t a big deal.
but it’s literally just an excuse to get rid of him
This process was started almost immediately after the vice chair election, before Hogg had made any public comments as vice chair.
What result would you prefer though?
Do you want the results to stand even though it was a flawed primary ran by the same people who saved Hillary/Biden/Kamala down our throats the last 3 elections?
The same people that abandoned Obama when he beat Hillary?
You think that now that they’re finally out of power, we should get mad at the new leadership who literally hadn’t even won their elections yet when this shit was going on?
Just please, tell me the better path than what the DNC is taking right now I’d love to hear it.
Edit:
They knew about it last week, before they gave him an ultimatum. Meaning they were holding it back and waiting for his response. They’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and wanting to follow the rules.
It…
It had to go thru committees, it hasn’t been a secret this was happening…
Please don’t be like trump and act like because you just heard of something that it just happened out of nowhere.
If that was the case, they would have gone ahead right away.
Ken Martin could have made a unilateral decision, he could throw out elections altogether and appoint people, he can do whatever he wanted.
He deferred to the committee, who suggested a redo vote that follows rules…
And Ken has personally encouraged both the vice chairs (because it literally isn’t just Hogg) to run again.
If that’s not enough for you, you don’t like democracy.
.you want a trump party that you agree with
It might be technically valid,It’s literally valid…
Based on your lack of reading comprehension from that alone, I’m literally not going to bother reading the rest of your comment. Since it’s either intentional and you’re a troll, or you do not understand basic english. There is no point try to argue the political game with either type in a written context without getting into essay territory.
EDIT: For those who want to know: The phrase “It might be technically valid, but …”, does not mean it could potentially be true. It means it is true, but there are other factors involved.
So …
Rather than stick your fingers in your ears, you had to announce to everyone that you’re refusing to listen so we knew?
If that’s not enough for you, you don’t like democracy.
you want a trump party that you agree with
Looks like I was right,
They can redo their little procedural vote. But, if Hogg doesn’t win, we will have our list of every member that thinks the DNC exists to serve it’s members and not the public. Every one of them should be tarred and feathered, and I’m not sure I mean that as a metaphor.
Every one of them should be tarred and feathered, and I’m not sure I mean that as a metaphor.
I’m personally going to be throwing a little party in my head every time one of them is arrested, thrown into concentration camps or executed by God King Trump.
Hogg is just another of the shitbags.
Yes, he wants to rid the party of useless incumbents, but he’s not trying to get rid of the architects of Democratic failure. He’s trying to replace a select few useless old incumbents with young corporate centrists. He wants us to conflate “young” with “progressive”, while he runs Baby Hillary and Nancy Junior.
The entire DNC - including Hogg - needs to be flushed
I’ll take ramblings from a moron for 200 Alex.
Jesus fucking Christ, dude. Get off the internet for a few days.
If Hogg were attempting to further entrench centrist hegemony, party leadership wouldn’t be opposing him.
What the actual fuck are you talking about
He’s positioned as the oligarch’s choice for succession. He was groomed for politics by corporate centrists because he’s got a compelling backstory.
The party leadership opposes him because they see he is going to replace them rather than support them. He’s just another part of the problem.
He’s positioned as the oligarch’s choice for succession. He was groomed for politics by corporate centrists because he’s got a compelling backstory.
And now that he’s pulling a reverse Fetterman, you hate him. Centrists thought they were getting yet another corporate turd like they wanted, but he turned out to actually want to fix things they like broken.
Lipstick on a pig is all you’re getting from David Hogg. He’s not fixing anything.
So again, if he’s so far to the center, why are centrists trying to kick him out?
Are you high?
You know just insulting him doesn’t mean your arguments valid right?
This is a new discovery for people who don’t want to primary centrists. Imagine that. Insults aren’t an acceptable replacement for having actual arguments? Centrists didn’t seem to think so when they spent a whole ass year screaming abuse at anyone who didn’t love their fucking genocide.
I’m not just insulting them. I’m making it clear that the premise of their argument sounds legitimately bonkers to a person that considers themselves a staunch progressive.
Then articulate that. Because frankly when someone makes a claim like that and all you can respond is with insults it makes me think maybe they’re right. So at this point you have less credibility than that guy does.
On a personal level I’m curious what your arguments would be because I don’t frankly know what to make of David Hogg. Other than his stance on gun control, which do not endear me to him, he seems a little bit vague to me.
I would not consider myself a far leftie, more of a left of center kind of guy, but I have found Hogg’s vivacity refreshing. The old guard should squirm, considering they shat the bed last go-round, and may even have lost us the country.
There are plenty of Bernie Trumpers out there, that feel this country has ignored them. And they’re right in the kinds of nooks and crannies where we need to win.
Hogg is more of a centrist as well, his only sin was threatening the power of party leadership. As far as I know he’s pretty much in the middle of the party when it comes to policy issues.
If they KEEP Hogg then they MIGHT have to Try a New Plan BESIDES Letting Americans Suffer Under Trump with LITERALLY NO PUSHBACK WHATSOEVER!
They’re not “ousting” anyone, and the process was put into motion months ago before he made any comments about primary challenges.
You can literally just ask the other guy effected by this.
What had happened was the prior DNC didn’t follow its own election rules for the vice chair races. Imone of the candidates who lost challenged it, and a committee ruled that the fair way to handle it was redo the election, but this time follow the rules.
The DNC chair is encouraging both the winners, and anyone else who wants to run, to run.
Like, if you know what’s happening, there’s not a better way to clean up the mistakes of the last DNC chair.
But the reason the media wants people to hate the DNC, is the people who own the media don’t own the DNC anymore
*affected
Sorry. Minor pet peeve.
Their trying to Bernie the guy. It’s the same players again
