It’s about time!
Those fucking seats have been uncomfortable for a while now.
If only they can just put us in a blender and pour us into a barrel and shoot us out of a cannon across the ocean.
secret of money
I feel like I’ve been reading stories about airline seats like these for a decade now. Has shit finally been deregulated enough to make this happen?
that ryanair fucker has been talking about this for like 20 years to get free press in shitty tabloids
The article mentions the Skyrider 2.0, but the 2.0 was unveiled in 2018, and the 3.0 the next year. I’m dubious of this articles veracity.
Oh, they’ll start out cheap, then they’ll become the norm. Bad for your knees if there is any turbulence. Don’t see how this passed health and safety.
Pointing out that this is in Europe is important I think. My American mind cannot conceive of a flight this would be acceptable in, but I can stand probably up to an hour for a bus ride, so a short flight would probably be ok. But you could probably take a train in Europe, so why bother with the flight.
privitisation has ruined a fuckload of transit in places like the UK
I simply love that we can’t let the train company go bankrupt because we need the infrastructure so we keep pumping public funds into it, but we also can’t stop them from turning the whole thing into a shit show and diverting all the funds because that would be interfering in the free market
it’s the most efficient system
European social democrats of the late 20th century and 00s have so much to answer for.
Well you want rich people to get their massive bonuses, don’t you? I mean rich people really work for their money, unlike the poors who need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, give up avocado on toast, and just get a better job.
/s, just in case.
brits deserve worse
But rich people told me that it fixed transit in England =(
Because they privatised the trains so the thing is fucked. If I wanna go visit my family by train it’s around 75 dollars if I don’t get a discounted ticket, while a flight ticket is 50-100 dollars depending on time of day and season, so half the time it’s cheaper.
I’m mostly sure it’s only that cheap:
- because the train is a realistic alternative
AND
- they’re probably operating at a loss or near loss and covering the cost from other operations (like if they’re a subsidiary of a US company, for example) in order to convince people of how cheap and convenient air travel is. See? You don’t need trains! Just dismantle your rail system, you can trust us to have a monopoly on your long distance travel.
You are absolutely right that this is only possible in part because the train exists as an alternative and there is therefore competition limiting their ability to price gouge… But the specific flight is taken by a company that operates mostly regionally and this is one of most profitable routes.
The train company is price gouging to a much greater extent, and it is doing so because it has a profit motive and a natural monopoly on many routes.
International rail travel in Europe is a mess because almost every country has different electrification necessitating changing locomotives or intercompatible trains, cross-border services are an afterthought for national railways companies which we are ‘fixing’ by throwing private rail services on top, creating a mess that makes you dependent on middlemen railway planners.
International rail journeys often require many transfers, often long ones too, which increases the chance of one of the intermediate trains being delayed or cancelled and ruining your schedule.
Sleeper trains like Nightjet exist now, but you have to book weeks or even months in advance to find a seat.
And all of this while often being multiple times more expensive than flying. A summer holiday by train is a splurge.
Sleeper trains like Nightjet exist now, but you have to book weeks or even months in advance to find a seat.
This seems like a really obvious demand signal for expanding the availability of this kind of service =\
I’m unsure what your experience is, but mine is in complete contradiction to this. I’ve taken direct trains from one end of Europe to the other. I don’t know what your second map represents, but it’s not direct train lines.
I’ve personally taken direct trains from London to Germany (some of those trains go on past Germany) and London to Italy. How they handle the electrification etc I don’t know, but I’ve never noticed an issue or had to transfer between internationals.
Most of my train rides have been cheaper or similar price to flying once you factor in local train travel too, and exceedingly nicer and easier. You very rarely even notice crossing the borders, which is a fun aspect.
Admittedly, I have little experience to go off of, so I may be comparing it more to typical commuter rail than I should. My only real experience is travelling from my hometown in the Netherlands to Hamburg for a school field trip. I had the typical Deutsche Bahn experience of train delays (usually less than 30 minutes at least) and on the way there one train just wasn’t running, so I had to take a detour and technically board the InterCity Express at the wrong station.
I also almost got stranded in the countryside at night because the last train of the day was bit by bit delayed by over an hour and I was panicking that it would be cancelled.
Do they comply with safety regulations? How to seatbelt?
No, but the bigger issues that someone pointed out in the comments are:
- EASA would never approve these because they’d never pass evacuation time limit standards
- No airline would be insane enough to dedicate an entire plane to a single route which is what this would require since you can’t sell a first class ticket on a sky cattle carrier during period when the route dries up
Also the speculated 1-5 euro ticket cost is 100% total horseshit even packed to the brim you could not turn a profit like that
You can change the seats out without scrapping the plane so I think you could dedicate them to a route if you could turn them around fast enough but the cost is absolutely bullshit.
Never flying again.
declining_rate_of_profit.txt
Ultra-low fares: Rumours suggest you could grab a one-way ticket for as little as €1–€5.
Yeah sure lmao that’ll totally happen, the 20% space saved by the crucifixion simulators will totally slash the price of a ticket by fucking 2000%
Yeah, not going to happen. Rent-seeking behavior is soon going to make this the default and we’ll be right back to ticket prices over even what we’re at now.
Nooooo, haha, you don’t need high speed rail, you’ll hate high speed rail, it’s too expensive to build, besides, remember the videos of how crowded the metros are? and you “hAtE oThEr PeOpLe”, right? Here, do the fiscally responsible thing and pay a thousand dollars to get harassed by every federal law enforcement agency, stand in our taxpayer subsidized barely held together high speed low drag tube shoulder to shoulder and dick to ass with six hundred other people for four hours, and then die either because we just DOGEd the whole ATC except for private jets or because we dropped any pretense of holding plane manufacturers accountable. We can’t tell which and don’t care, fuck you, don’t build the trains.
I don’t see how this will fit more people unless you’re gonna have them squished against each other’s seats…
Edit: looking more closely at the pictures, they look like they’re slightly closer together than a normal economy flight
I’d rather die
You could get both!
that can be arranged, but it’ll cost you
Boeing: por que no los dos?
Lmao
What about overhead luggage? Most AssholeAirlines here sell overhead luggage at a premium. Are they going to drop that source of income since standing up doesn’t leave room for that?
I see the pictures, you can’t even carry a purse this way.
why dont they just invent a really big vacuum sealer and put everyone in a big bag then suck all the air out so they all get really compressed?
Why not replace all the seats with just a floor strap? That’s less weight.
Oh I see you still aren’t interested. In the unlikely event of a parking lot landing everyone ends up completely mangled up, ripped apart and squished into sausage-like bags that rip into paste. Its liability free!
Airlines: oh we would like 10 now and 3000 next year.
