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Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.
The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel’s right to defend itself.
“Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon,” declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.
They pledged to “remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability.”
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"Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,”
I guess we all just have to pretend Israel doesn’t exist?
Probably best for all of us if nobody can ever have nuclear weapons, but what do i know…
Religious zealots can’t be allowed to have nukes. You have to at least masquerade as a well-adjusted nation while you develop the nukes and slowly massage your zealots into positions of power over a few decades. Those are the rules.
How else can the most advanced first-world nations keep exploiting the Middleeast?
With Netynyahu, we can change the government of any nation in the middleast. We just tell him to make a presentation that they’re bad and have big weapons!
Guys please understand we, the US, UK, Germany, and rest of G7 first-world nations, reaally need to assassinate forign leaders and destory and kill the people of any nation that opposes the existance of a genocidal ethnostate aparthied … because, the few Zionists who pay our salaries will not have a country where they can kill, evict, colonize, assassinate anyone who is not from their chosen race. Then we will have to give these brown people democracy, and their own governments?!!
If we did not make the middleast into dictatorships that work with our genocidal ethostate only, then they will not sell us cheap oil and will not have to couple all their trades, currencies and inflations against US dollar. Omg. imagine if they were then allowed to manufacture their own weapons and not buy trillions worth of military equipments and defense contracts from us? omg… our 9999 military bases there? who will pay for them?
I’m just surprised squeaky tank birthday pissboy didn’t elbow his way to the center of this photo like he used to do during his first term. He must be tired from being old as fuck.
“We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!
I am honestly so revolted.
I’m curious to see what Iran would have become in the next 5 years had this shit not occurred. It had the potential of becoming another regime or possibly a democracy again. Hard to say where it was going.
Well, that’s been the litemotiv of the last century on the area, support a slightly less evil genocidal asshole against another genocidal asshole.
What status quo? They are complicit
The status quo is Western dominance and power projection.
Not exactly. West didn’t care too much about other non-western countries having nukes. Two nations who have nukes borderline almost started a war in Asia (Pakistan and India). Iran is a special case, just like North Korea is. Unlike others, the two I mentioned have essentially declared themselves as the enemies of the west, so naturally west wants to keep them away from such destructive weapons
EDIT: Third one would be Russia, but there was already conflicts and a long standoff. The Russia has made it clear they can invade everyone but no one can invade them. Coincidentally, same could be said for USA.
Just my two cents, from some philosophing east european slav here.
Iran is a special case. Unlike others, the two I mentioned have essentially declared themselves as the enemies of the west,
You reversed it. The west made itself the enemy of iran
Ukraine had nukes and gave them up. They were invaded.
Iraq gave up their WMD program after the first Gulf War. They were invaded again.
Iran definitely had a nuclear program, but doesn’t appear to be pursuing it anymore. They’re getting attacked and quite possibly will get invaded.
South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.
The Great Powers, particularly the United States but also Russia, have shown that your country should just keep going once you start. Chances are, you’ll get invaded, anyway.
This is not the way towards anti-proliferation.
Hell, even if you don’t. Gaddafi made a big show of “giving up” weapons that he didn’t even really have, and he still got raped to death with a bayonet.
South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.
How do nukes help South Africa? They don’t have rockets. What do they threaten to bomb that is a deterrent?
Tactical nukes can stop just about any invasion.
Nukes can be dropped from planes too.
But genocide against Palestinians is a-OK.
What does the “G” in G7 stand for? Gaslighting? Genocide? Grift? Maybe there are 7 Gs.
“Iran is two weeks away from nuclear capability” - Netanyahu: 2012, 2015, 2018, 2023, 2025
He started a lot earlier than 2012
China, India, and Pakistan once again proving that having nukes does actually matter because you can’t be arbitrarily shoved around around by the only other nuclear powers.
it also helps if your air defense network doesn’t collapse immediately because it turns out that in order to guard these nukes you need also regular capable conventional military
I believe ALL of the following;
- Iran should not have nuclear weapons
- Israel should not have nuclear weapons
- Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
- Israel should not genocide
- Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
- Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
- Palestinians will remain fucked…if they survive.
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others’ greed, ambition, and political squabbles.
I’d add:
- Hamas needs to deleted from the face of earth
And all that basically describes the opinion of 90% of the population just that vocal minorities are very vocal.
90 percent of the western population. The rest of the world is more sympathetic to the militant struggle against imperial genocide.
Well that’s a nice enough list in a vacuum, but what does that actually mean she the real world? Israel already has nukes, Iran won’t survive without them, Palestinians are going to fight back against the fascists trying to exterminate them - with or without Irans prompting - and sympathetic countries like Iran are going to try and aid that struggle.
Exactly. This is not a competition, we don’t have to cheer for either side. Horrible things are happening
My exact thoughts
Damn, that’s the most reasonable take I’ve heard all year. Kudos
I agree with all of your past tense takes. The future remains to be determined. We might all be flattened at this rate.
This is the nature of modern day proxy conflicts. Both actors can continue easily but the “battlefield” like Gaza and South Lebanon are the ones that lose.
Iran is answering for their fuckery
Israel is the principal source of regional instability and terror and everyone and his dog knows this.
The kowtowing to Trump and his Zionist sponsors by the client states of the US Empire is an insult to objective reality.
Please don’t make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the “wrong” person.
The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.
Ok, which country is actively committing genocide?
So let me get this straight. Because one of the countries in this war is comitting genocide, the other country MUST be a victim of the war? Was the Soviet Union a victim when Germany attacked them?
No. Israel is committing genocide. We all fucking know this, no need to point it out. Iran is a theorcratic rule that tortures people for holding hands with the wrong sex. They regard women as household items. Iran is not a fucking victim. The iranian government needs to fucking suffer violently, preferably by the hands of their own people, but Israel will do.
Was the Soviet Union a victim when Germany attacked them?
…Really? That’s the comparison you’re gonna go with?
Yes. Were they?
Is that what I said?
Yes. You asked who is comitting genocide in an attempt to shut me up, because you thought the side that commits genocide must inherently be the bad person in any situation. Seen in the context that I said not to frame Iran as a victim, this attempt to contradict me must mean you think Iran IS the victim here. They aren’t. Now pack up your bullshit attempt to backtrack, and try to argue like an adult.
The Iranian government is strictly less evil than every government that has supported Israels genocide, which is basically all of the West, including, for example, Ukraine. Are you going to b say “please don’t make Ukraine out as some victim in all this, they’re pure evil and deserve to die horrible deaths”? Will you say that the EU governments do for what they instigate and fund around the world?
Or are you just a white supremacist?
It’s a deep sarcasm that Western oil companies destabilized the Iranian monarchy, that * shockingly* wanted a piece of the pie in such a way it paved the way for islamist extremists to gain power.
Ian used to be pretty liberal and western minded, however westen meddling caused this extreme government.
But God forbid they get the means to (to use the Israeli turn off phrase) ‘defend’ itself, that would be horrendous.
Yes, yes, we all know Iran used to be liberal a very long time ago.
That ship has sailed, and the current regime isn’t great, to say the very least.
Nuclear bombs would not be used to defend Iran. They would be used to defend Khamenei. In the same way that nukes are for defending that shit stain in Israel and not Israel.
Iran is still more liberal than any western country that supports Israel.
Ik no fan of the current regime, I think both Israel and Iran would benefit from a regime change. There’s nothing more moral on the Israeli side to explain them deserving nukes over anyone in that region.
But the hypocrisy is that the Western world directly caused this shit.
Resistance groups that commit some terrorism and no terrorist groups
This is Western imperial propaganda to obfuscate the fundamentally anti colonial nature of Hamas and Hezbollah by labelling them as Islamic terrorists.
The real islamic extremists like Al Qaeda and ISIS were in fact sponsored by the CIA.
I’m so sick of Americans with no clue about the region coming up with Hasbara inserted talking points about Iran. As someone who.lived through the lies on Iraq’s WMDs , which was also cheered by Netanyahu, it is depressing deja vu.
What evidence do you have that presents hezbollah and hamas as being anti-imperialist?
The evidence is that Israel is a settler colony established and supported by the Western colonial powers.
I’m not sure you understood the question
The fact that their whole existence has been fighting against imperialism
And not only that, Israel has nuclear weapons.
…and it’s supposed to be a secret because God forbid having to comply with international treaties on nukes. Well it’s not like they respect international law anyway right? But the ones on nukes they just bypass and no one bats an eye
Two things (countries) can be bad at the same time
Sounds like something a tankie would say about Ukraine and Russia
nobody should have nuclear weapons.
Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if the scientists working on the Manhattan project had all agreed it’s too much and intentionally sabotage every test.
It would have been discovered later on, perhaps by another power first.
We would still have all the atrocities that happened after Hiroshima and Nagasaki but people in the West would not suffer the anxiety that they could be possibly get hurt as well.
Well then we wouldn’t have nuclear power either
The first nuclear reactor was in 1942.
Well sure but if you can make a nuclear reactor you can make a nuclear bomb
The Germans would have beat us to the bomb and used it and we would all be Nazis.
What if the bomb just wasn’t possible? WWII would have lasted a lot longer, but the allies were going to win eventually at that point. There would not have been a Cold War (at least not one influenced by an arms race)
The Germans were literally defeated before the bomb was finished! Jesus Christ, how bad is education these days.
Germany was miles off, they lost the war before the first bomb was dropped, 7th May vs. 6th August. Its impossible for them to be both behind the Allied effort to make a nuclear bomb (so would have not been read to drop one until after 6th August) and still make one after they surrendered.
The Allies very much lied to the scientists about how far along the Germans were to guilt them into making one against objections raised at the time.
Now if those defecting Nazis who joined NASA and the like post war would have instead been used to replace objecting Allied scientists in the nuclear program, thats a real possibility.
There’s no real way of knowing what would have happened, but knowledge is eventually gained. Somebody would have developed nukes even if it tool a lot longer and we’d end up being in a similar situation eventually.
Knowledge is eventually gained, someone would have built practical devices relating to nuclear fission, whether that was a bomb or a reactor.
Nazi Germany would not have done that in any time frame relevant to WWII. They specifically rejected aspects of atomic/quantum theory because they were tainted by “jewish science” which unknowingly set them back decades and sent them in the wrong direction. As much as they were obsessed with super weapons, they were very unscientific in their R&D.
They specifically rejected aspects of atomic/quantum theory because they were tainted by “jewish science” which unknowingly set them back decades and sent them in the wrong direction.
This shit sounds so familiar…
Germany pretty concretely abandoned their ambitions for an atomic bomb towards the end of the war. If I remember correctly they came to the (incorrect) conclusion that the amount of uranium they would need is completely unfeasible
Makes you wonder if their scientists did it.
Well, it didn’t exactly help that something like half of the most significant nuclear physicists of the era were, uh… yknow… disinvited from the country.
Maybe, but it also might be that that they’d already made sworn enemies of basically the entire scientific community, so they didn’t have much talent to draw from
“Ah guys it would have been such a powerful weapon to demonstrate Arian supremacy! It really sucks that it’s impossible :(”
This illustrates exactly why we, as a species, are fucking doomed. If some on can do something that gives them a competitive edge, then someone will do it. Those who opt out are left behind.
It’s why we can’t stop fossil fuels. Whoever stops using them will be at a competitive disadvantage. It’s why we can’t just leave AI on the shelf.
Yes the smarter we get, the better we get at destroying ourselves. Ridiculous.
Well, the Germans wouldn’t have because they got defeated long before the Manhattan Project produced a usable weapon. Their own attempt at it failed. Some suspect that Heisenberg actually did sabotage the German project, though it’s also possible that he was just bad at it.
But the Soviet Union would have done it later on. Or any of a variety of other countries that probably shouldn’t be the first or only countries to have nuclear weapons. Science is not unique to the discoverer, other people can independently discover the same things.
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either that, or nukes would be used first in korean war instead. imo it’s a good thing that nukes were first used against the most cartoonishly evil fascist state imaginable at that point
The Japanese?
Yeah, who else. Nuking Dresden at that point would be useless
Just asking. The Nazis we’re pretty cartoonish.
They kind of both maxed out the scale
The Japanese at the time were, at the least, very close in terms of evilness. What with the crazy human experiments, execution of prisoners, and everything they did to the Chinese.
This obviously does not reflect on modern day Japan.
Decided bunch of criminals who brainwashed everyone with existence of the nukes. Legalize recreational nukes. Lol
Jesus fucking Christ. Fuck all of these assholes.
