• huppakee@lemm.ee
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            I’d be happy with a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power, but I don’t think if China were to be the worlds only superpower we’d live in a better world.

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              Currently the world’s superpowers are committing a second Holocaust in Gaza. It’s possible that 500,000 are dead (population was 2.1m before genocide began, Trump said there’s 1.6m in Gaza when negotiating with Israel). The EU is just as complicit in this genocide as the US. That’s just what’s happening now, one of many American atrocities.

              With that in mind: what has China ever done in history to make you so much more scared of them?

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                Why would anyone chose Euros over china?! China has never ever meddle in other countries shit - in fact it was other people who invaded, ruled and then expanded china.

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                I don’t disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn’t ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It’s not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven’t?

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                  how they treat their own people

                  oh you mean lifting 800 million out of poverty? or did you mean building 48,000km of high speed rail. or did you mean leading the world’s investment in clean energy and hitting climate targets ahead of schedule?

                  here’s some more stuff you should read but won’t because you believe lies to protect your racist worldview

                  https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

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                    thanks for the propaganda link, will totally change my view of China.

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                  Oh man, eliminating poverty, what a crime. You do realize that the U.S. still has the largest prison population per capita right? Maybe think about how the U.S. treats their own people as well?

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                    I much rather live in the US than China. But to be honest, wouldn’t move either place. Both suck.

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                  You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.

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                    Yes, western countries never built hospitals. You are totally right.

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                  The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people

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                  China has dramatically improved living conditions for its own people over the previpus 50 years. This is in stark contrast to virtually every other non-OECD country subject to imperialism. It is even in stark contrast to many OECD countries who have spent the last 50 years neoliberalizing their economies, making life overall much more expensive for their people despite the spoils brought to them by imperialism.

                  What do you think of when you imagine the ills China has done “to its own people” and have you spent more than 10 minutes actually researching the topic(s)?

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              I’d be happy with a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power

              yeah you people always claim you’d like it if things were better while mysteriously opposing all existing pathways for things to actually get better

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                You don’t understand, China’s going to invade Taiwan any day now! It doesn’t matter that we’ve been saying that for decades, it’s so certain that we don’t even need to treat it as hypothetical!

                (I have had a lib unironically tell me this)

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              It helps that China’s economy isn’t entirely propped up by weapons manufacturing lmao

              I do not understand how people can look at the past hundred years or so and think China would unleash anything like the sickening horror on the entire globe that the west has built itself on.

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                I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.

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          Hmm well it’s interesting you should say that as German and British weapons vaporize Palestinian families. I wonder why you put your hope in that and not China?

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              A lot of people are calling you out over the Uyghur nonsense but this kind of thinking:

              I’d rather be a German or Brit and be profiting from Palestinian families being vaporized than be one of those vaporized families. Do think it would be much much better if no family was vaporized.

              Is the absolute most monstrous thing that you could be saying. Seriously, imagine saying this about Jews being gassed in the Holocaust, or Black people being enslaved in the Atlantic slave trade. Your wishful thinking means nothing if you’re so caught up in the ideology that makes you think Chinese people will treat you the way your disgusting imperialist states have treated the third world for centuries. Thanks be to God that the world isn’t only populated by settlers who can only imagine things working out as dominators and dominated.

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                  What? How is a Chinese person in the 21st Century profitting off the Holocaust? The actual analogous thing to what you said would be would you rather be a Jew being gassed, or a citizen of Nazi Germany profitting off slave labor in the concentration camps and doing nothing about it. And I believe in hell, so I don’t think I’d take the eternal damnation in this case.

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                  thanks I will. enjoy economic collapse as Europe reverts to the backwater of the world. say hi to Adrian Zenz for me

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                    I’m kind of horrified of how awful things will become in the west in the coming decades, people are literally going to be eating each other alive.

                    But when I see that I share my country with people like this, I feel a lot more ok with that idea.

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              suicide

              I’m sure you care a lot about Occupied Korea’s suicide rate too and aren’t just using this bullshit to pretend to care about workers

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              The white supremacist’s greatest fear is that they will be treated as harshly as they have treated others. So they must invent and imagine brutality to fear, justifying their subscription to continued ethnic cleansing against no-whites.

              You need reeducation.

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              How can you continue to cling onto the fake ass “Uyghur genocide” when we can look at the infinite horrors coming out of Gaza every fucking day. You’re really going to put that on the same level as some bullshit made up by a religious fanatic fascist who doesn’t even speak Chinese? One who can’t provide even a single shred of evidence for his claims? Do you even know who Adrian Zenz is? God damn this shit is straight up disgusting. Anyway we already knew all this about the depth of your opinions which is why I called you out for brainworms + racism before you even said anything else.

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              how the state suppresses their people with a social credit system

              Lmao. The “social credit system” which literally never existed and even western media admitted was a misunderstanding (there was a credit system in place for scoring businesses which failed to pay debts in time). All the while in the capitalist-imperialist countries, one’s financial credit score determines their ability to buy a house or car.

              This level of arrogant-ignorance is something you can only find amongst true Europeans. Even Americans are known to be more critical of their propaganda narratives.